"Nohawks"

riley876 · January 04, 2016, 03:26:36 AM

Is there a name for a move that's like a mohawk, but you end up skating in the same direction, i.e. RFI to LFO. Yes, I know most sane people would call that a "step", but if it's done LIKE a mohawk, i.e. 90 degree free foot heel to instep of skating foot, and then twist to change foot, is it still just technically a step?

nicklaszlo · January 04, 2016, 04:03:09 AM

Yes. A regular stroke should be at about 90 degrees. It should start on an inside and switch to outside on the other foot.

icedancer · January 04, 2016, 01:55:49 PM

Sounds more like a stroke than a step.

riley876 · January 04, 2016, 02:10:17 PM

Is it still stroking, even though the feet stay together through the whole move? I always associated "stroking" with an obvious extension of the skating leg. Have I gotten the wrong of the stick here?

icedancer · January 04, 2016, 02:52:32 PM

I'm confused. Maybe you could post a video or make a drawing.

Bill_S · January 04, 2016, 03:23:08 PM

From the description, it sounds very close to a simple chasse - a step without a change of lobe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chasse

Could that be it?

I assume that there are some YouTube videos out there.

icedancer · January 04, 2016, 04:16:07 PM

If it was a chasse - (a simple chasse) - if you were doing a LFO one it would be LFO, RFI (lifting the left foot up while standing on the RFI and then LFO again.

Doubletoe · January 05, 2016, 05:56:12 PM

Quote from: riley876 on January 04, 2016, 02:10:17 PM
Is it still stroking, even though the feet stay together through the whole move? I always associated "stroking" with an obvious extension of the skating leg. Have I gotten the wrong of the stick here?

It sounds like a normal skating stroke to me, except for this part where you say the feet stay together. Clearly, one of them must lift up off the ice, though, so I'm assuming this is done once the skater already has some speed built up and doesn't need to actually push off with the first foot. The skater goes from RFI edge to LFO ege and immediately brings the right foot to the heel of the left foot? If so, it's still just a stroke or step since the skater is not turning from forward to backward or vice-versa.

Bill_S · January 05, 2016, 06:51:29 PM

riley876: I'm wondering if you see that move that you described in this video of the Canasta Tango. There are two different steps in it that might qualify.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIKwr7qtmWg

icedancer · January 05, 2016, 07:16:27 PM

If all you are doing is going from RFI edge to LFO edge while twisting your right foot at a 90 degree angle that might technically be called a "push-off" -

riley876 · January 05, 2016, 08:03:13 PM

Can't see it in the CT.

Playing with it, I think it is just a stroke. Can't really do it without at least a tiny-sort-of-hidden extension. Which is almost certainly not something anyone would want in a dance. Do it with a big real extension, and it's definitely a stroke.

So, sorry folks, I think this was just me getting confused by my own ineptitude.

icedancer · January 05, 2016, 08:12:51 PM

We call it the "paralysis of analysis".

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