program music

[jenniturtle]

My DD is getting ready to start her pre-pre program. We are starting to look at music choices and want something that she could also use for a preliminary program as she will be moving up by the end of the year. She is 10 and hates all skating music. She is pure rock and roll and is sad she can't skate to words! We are looking for something fast and powerful to match her personality and skating style.  She skated to pirates of the caribbean "he's a pirate' for fs1 and FS 4 but is wants a change. Any suggestions??? 

[Skittl1321]

She is pure rock and roll and is sad she can't skate to words!

Why can't she skate to words?  It is allowed by USFS at the level she skates at.

From the rulebook:

4040 Music – Singles
For singles events, music is chosen by the competitor;
A. For short program and free skate, vocal music with lyrics is not permitted,
except as follows:
1. For all short programs and free skates up to and including the intermediate level, for all events using the 6.0 system of judging and for all adult events, vocal music with lyrics is permitted.

Movie soundtracks are a good place to start. Avoid disney....it is way overdone

[hopskipjump]

Most coaches don't allow it - at least not at our rink.  what about an instrumental version of her favorites?

[nicklaszlo]

Why can't she skate to words?

Lyrics interfere with the skater's interpretation of the music.  It is the spirit of the rules, rather than the letter.

[hopskipjump]

Lyrics interfere with the skater's interpretation of the music.  It is the spirit of the rules, rather than the letter.

Thank makes a lot more sense to me than the "don't do that" I hear.    It does inspire kids at lower levels to do an artistic program as well.

As for pre-pre music vs pre music, is there a difference?  I thought the length was the same?

[davincisop]

I'll look up more artists when I get home but for now:

Yanni
Mythos
Massive attack
Keiko matsui
Clint Mansell (summer overture)
Rob dougan
E.s. posthumus
Bond

[rosereedy]

I am skating to Yanni's Standing in Motion. I wanted to skate to instrumental Guns N Roses November Rain. Look for instrumental versions of rock songs.

[Kim to the Max]

Vitamin String Quartet does some remakes of popular music. If you are looking for fast, Maksim is fun that is what I am skating to for my intermediate test program..

[jenniturtle]

Why can't she skate to words?  It is allowed by USFS at the level she skates at.

From the rulebook:

Movie soundtracks are a good place to start. Avoid disney....it is way overdone

her coach says no, she thinks words are a big distraction and doesn't want her skating to them now when further down the line she won't be able to.

[jenniturtle]

Lyrics interfere with the skater's interpretation of the music.  It is the spirit of the rules, rather than the letter.

Thank makes a lot more sense to me than the "don't do that" I hear.    It does inspire kids at lower levels to do an artistic program as well.

As for pre-pre music vs pre music, is there a difference?  I thought the length was the same?

we will be keeping the music for both so we want to get something she won't get tired of. I'm looking for something she can connect with.

[drskater]

It's fun to sample music on iTunes. Keep an open mind and explore.

FWIW: I watched all the regionals and sectionals on Ice Network. Honestly, you would not believe how many skaters chose the exact same program music: Swan Lake (LOTS of black swans this year); Tango de Roxanne (some were even back to back); Libertango; and, for some reason, plenty of Addams family. If I were a judge, i'd go insane from the repetition.

[icesk8r725]

Try using pandora and putting it on the 'bond' station- you'll find plenty of good stuff good luck!

[PrettySk8Dress]

Just a suggestion for instrumental music for a skater who loves rock-n-roll. Many rock and classic rock songs have several sets of lyrics, with an instrumental section between the stanzas. See if some of her favorite rock songs have a section of instrumental music that can be used. As an example, if you listen to the long version of " Riders on the Storm " by the Doors, there is a long instrumental section that can be lifted and used as part of a skating program.
( I'm trying to play the instrumental section in my mind from memory right now! Now watch, I'll have it playing in my head for days to come now [ giggles ] !) I think Pink Floyd did some of their songs with instrumental sections. I'm sure there are many other rock songs like this, and can be used as I described.  

[Clarice]

My daughter once skated to "Riverdance" - I know that's not exactly rock, but we used a cut with a rock fiddle solo that was very hard and driving.  I want to say it wasn't from the original CD, but some Pops orchestra - Cincinnati, maybe?  Worth a try, anyway.

[bollyskater]

Going with the idea that you could edit instrumentals from a rock song, here's an oldie but goodie.

Live and Let Die by Paul McCartney and the Wings
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCcQtwIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D71fjlVVDjKU&ei=EAEbT879Huyw0AHEwsHHCw&usg=AFQjCNE-BXxtZWGsf-2SWuRzziES4rlPNA&sig2=T5d1ReVaf4ekUtYjugTvCQ

It's sweet to see how young Paul and Linda look in the video.

This may be one song that has too much power and energy.

[bollyskater]

Oo, how about Nirvana instrumentals (from the early '90s)?

The Man Who Sold the World
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhRfphBiH5A&feature=related

All Apologies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhlC2h9y97g

I particularly love the first one and it has a natural progression.

[irenar5]

What about Final Fantasy game music themes?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK8TNeKUcOM


My personal favorite is "To Zanarkand"- not really rock -n roll, though, but haunting.

[Skittl1321]

Legend of Zelda also has some.amazing music...and symphony recordings of it.

[LilJen]

Apocalyptica? They're a cello trio that does covers of rock tunes. I've heard "Nothing Else Matters" and it's actually gorgeous (I would NEVER listen to Metallica!). The song starts out pretty mellow but really gets to rocking out. (I think Brian Joubert skated to this once.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbTozgoj9OQ

You could also try The Turtle Island String Quartet, or the Kronos Quartet. They have some very upbeat, unusual stuff that is DEFINITELY not your typical skating music. And no lyrics! (can you tell I'm a string player?)

Here's the Kronos Quartet doing Hendrix! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja35dyPxE74
And more Hendrix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dE65iTuG4Y&feature=related

Just thought of another one: Michael Hedges. AMAZING guitarist. (He has a great voice, too--or had; sadly, he died several years ago at a quite young age.) I'm fond of his earlier stuff because it's mostly guitar without excessive orchestration--but WOW, can the guy play.
Aerial Boundaries: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaIN13aDbCc
Ritual Dance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPB-ShG_UWY&feature=related

(Let me just say YAY!! for a skater who wants to do something other than the standard skating music repertoire! I love hearing unusual stuff.)

[Sk8tmum]

What are her coach's recommendations? Does she want a specific style of music for her for competition this year? 

If she really likes rock ... and dislikes standard skating music ... try instrumentals of Queen (tends to be well responded to, and judges don't dislike it) - or, get her to listen to good jazz cuts. I've found some of the rock officianados quite like good jazz. 

You might also want to let her watch some high level skating programs on YouTube.  Kids who "hate" standard skating music often find something that is good and skateable that is maybe outside of what they think they would like when they see how a top level skater can move to music and make it work as a program.

[PinkLaces]

My DD is a non-traditional skating music girl, too.  She usually finds her own stuff and coach yays or nays it.  Actually, her coach made a comment last week about how she looks always looks forward to seeing what my DD will come up with.  My DD recommends that yours do a youtube search for video game music.

My DD has the orchestral version of Hikari from Kingdom Hearts as her free skate program.  She thought your DD might like the Rock version. Plus my DD added that it's rock, but not too fast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1ELUG7_6ok

My DD used instrumental parts of Raver's Fantasy for her footwork program the past 2 years.  We had to go into my music editing softward and slow it down some.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8CVR_VGh58


This is my DD's new footwork music.  It's inspired by the cartoon My Little Pony.  Kinda dark, but cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QzyxNvXSbg

[Sk8tmum]

My DD is a non-traditional skating music girl, too.  She usually finds her own stuff and coach yays or nays it.  Actually, her coach made a comment last week about how she looks always looks forward to seeing what my DD will come up with.  My DD recommends that yours do a youtube search for video game music.

My DD has the orchestral version of Hikari from Kingdom Hearts as her free skate program.  She thought your DD might like the Rock version. Plus my DD added that it's rock, but not too fast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1ELUG7_6ok

My DD used instrumental parts of Raver's Fantasy for her footwork program the past 2 years.  We had to go into my music editing softward and slow it down some.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8CVR_VGh58


This is my DD's new footwork music.  It's inspired by the cartoon My Little Pony.  Kinda dark, but cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QzyxNvXSbg

We're not allowed to pick our own music ... ever.  It's chosen for us, and it's part of the yearly plan in terms of stretch objective, growth objective, and positioning ... fortunately, choreo has great taste, and it sure saves us work!

[nicklaszlo]

Try using pandora and putting it on the 'bond' station- you'll find plenty of good stuff good luck!

Or you could watch Ice Network and get the same results.

[Robin]

we will be keeping the music for both so we want to get something she won't get tired of. I'm looking for something she can connect with.

What are some of her favorite songs? Generally, if its rock, there are enough instrumental parts to piece together a short program. Or you can use 2 or 3 similar songs like a medley.

[Kat]

How does she feel about electronica?  There are some out there that are nice and hard, and some that use more "real" instruments, if that matters to her.  I'm actually quite a fan of the Tron: Legacy soundtrack that Daft Punk did (which is heavy on acoustic instruments along with electronics, and many of the tracks are conveniently short so wouldn't require much cutting).  And the good thing about electronica is that there are often so many remixes to choose from so if you sort of like a song but not that much, you can see what ten other people did with it (also that it tends to be repetitive so cuts aren't a bit deal).

As others have said, look into songs with great instrumental interludes, like rocking guitar solos.  (sorry, this list is going to be oldies-oriented 'cause that's largely where my flag flies)

--Hotel California (Eagles)
--25 or 6 to 4 (Chicago)
--Free Bird (Lynyrd Skynyrd)
--November Rain (GnR)
--Let It Be (Beatles)

Wow, I am drawing a blank tonight at accessing my mental list of "songs with great guitar solos."  Sorry about that.

Also, look into live versions as those will often have extended solos, if you can find a version without a lot of crowd screaming and such.