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#51
The Pro Shop / Re: Different sharpening techn...
Last post by marc - February 20, 2025, 05:12:22 PMQuote from: Kaitsu on February 19, 2025, 10:16:24 AMMarc has not even claimed that its not possible to get sharp edges with IE.
Marc was telling us that most likely IE is used also in Asia (China / Japan), but He has not find any videos how they use them. Just like Marc, I would be interested to know what machines they use. They have really good skaters, so I assume skates are not sharpened handheld in normal bench grinder, like we can see in some videos I linked.
Nicelse:
Cela a dû mal traduire, et vous avez mal compris
Kaitsu:
Oui, vous avez compris ce que je voulais dire.
Kaitsu a partagé des différents savoir et techniques et ce que j'aurais aimé savoir, c'est comment font les pays asiatiques pour affûter car ils ont de très bons patineurs et eux aussi doivent avoir leur secret/ technique.,.
Ils sont tellement censuré que nous connaissons rien d'eux.
Peut être qu'ils ont leur propre incredible edger copié ou fabriqué chez eux ...
#52
The Pro Shop / Re: Different sharpening techn...
Last post by Kaitsu - February 19, 2025, 10:16:24 AMQuote from: NiceIce on February 17, 2025, 02:40:30 PMWho is not getting sharp edges on the Incredible Edger?
Mark
Marc has not even claimed that its not possible to get sharp edges with IE.
Marc was telling us that most likely IE is used also in Asia (China / Japan), but He has not find any videos how they use them. Just like Marc, I would be interested to know what machines they use. They have really good skaters, so I assume skates are not sharpened handheld in normal bench grinder, like we can see in some videos I linked.
#53
The Pro Shop / Re: Different sharpening techn...
Last post by Kaitsu - February 19, 2025, 10:04:43 AMNiceIce, Did you meant to say that you have sharpened skates already dozens years?
Blademaster BHC2005 Height comparator is supposed to do same trick as your marker trick, except that your methods works mainly for the blades where edges are already even. BHC2005 may work also for the blades which has uneven edges. System looks more complex than what it is. Blademaster is only manufacturer which has even tried to invent something for the problem where skate holders does have 2-3 height adjustments but no any scale for them. Clicking height adjustment screws cannot be counted to be any scale and they do not provide stepless adjustment.
Here you can see how the tool is used. https://youtu.be/i1dOFcz_LL8?si=JLHjfNjXYR6A2sxj
Often whole work process is not shown in Youtube videos. You can see how Beltwesty checks edges evenness and uses similar techniques as you. They are just in different clips.
Quote from: NiceIce on February 17, 2025, 02:38:45 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCJ3CniHFY8
Some really complex setup on a BladeMaster. Don't they have an adjustable skate holder? If you setup a wheel height for a single blade, what do you do for all the other blades that have different thickness? Seems crazy. Maybe that's why I see shops using Wissota skate holders.
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I check the blade before doing anything for bowing and level edges. I mark the entire blade length with a marker and then check it front middle and back by rubbing the wheel against the blade by hand.
Blademaster BHC2005 Height comparator is supposed to do same trick as your marker trick, except that your methods works mainly for the blades where edges are already even. BHC2005 may work also for the blades which has uneven edges. System looks more complex than what it is. Blademaster is only manufacturer which has even tried to invent something for the problem where skate holders does have 2-3 height adjustments but no any scale for them. Clicking height adjustment screws cannot be counted to be any scale and they do not provide stepless adjustment.
Here you can see how the tool is used. https://youtu.be/i1dOFcz_LL8?si=JLHjfNjXYR6A2sxj
Often whole work process is not shown in Youtube videos. You can see how Beltwesty checks edges evenness and uses similar techniques as you. They are just in different clips.
#54
The Pro Shop / Re: Different sharpening techn...
Last post by NiceIce - February 17, 2025, 02:40:30 PMQuote from: marc on January 05, 2025, 04:47:26 PMBonjour tout le monde.
En France, nous trouvons rien d'intéressant sur youtube ou sur le net.
En langue française, on peut tomber un peu sur le canada / quebec
J'avais essayé un peu de chercher vers les pays asiatiques ( chine/ Japon) , mais avec translate, j'ai pas réussi.
J'aimerais bien savoir comment ils font dans ces pays car je suis même pas sûr qu'il affûtent avec l'incredible edger.
Si quelqu'un pouvait nous aider dans ces langues cela m'intéresse aussi.
Marc,
Who is not getting sharp edges on the Incredible Edger?
Mark
#55
The Pro Shop / Re: Different sharpening techn...
Last post by NiceIce - February 17, 2025, 02:38:45 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCJ3CniHFY8
Some really complex setup on a BladeMaster. Don't they have an adjustable skate holder? If you setup a wheel height for a single blade, what do you do for all the other blades that have different thickness? Seems crazy. Maybe that's why I see shops using Wissota skate holders.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrXGBIv4Bmo
Excellent points by Gary Beacom. I do tend to be more careful about rounding off the heel. Some skaters to want a sharper corner for doing pivots off the heel and lately skaters have been doing a rotation on their camels on the heel.
I also don't go back and forth as this means you can spend more time on the ends and especially the zone by the toepick is very important not too mess up.
https://youtu.be/Um8zKCEMUxo?si=DrkzyotnnbFikcrn
Some more good points from Gary Beacom. IMO he spends and inordinate amount of time fiddling. If your skate holder is setup perfectly level, then there is no need for so much checking. I check the blade before doing anything for bowing and level edges. I mark the entire blade length with a marker and then check it front middle and back by rubbing the wheel against the blade by hand.
https://youtu.be/2Tt4vO2GeJg?si=lyp6-Luclbem7wSN
A very nice machine, but once again someone is starting to sharpen without even checking the edges first! You can't assume every skate starts with level edges or that every blade has the same thickness so that it will be centered when you put it on the machine. Sure you can check for level edges after sharpening, but by then you could easily have taken off a lot of metal unnecessarily and have to go back an fix it.
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Thanks,
Mark (been sharpening for a dozen years at least)
Some really complex setup on a BladeMaster. Don't they have an adjustable skate holder? If you setup a wheel height for a single blade, what do you do for all the other blades that have different thickness? Seems crazy. Maybe that's why I see shops using Wissota skate holders.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrXGBIv4Bmo
Excellent points by Gary Beacom. I do tend to be more careful about rounding off the heel. Some skaters to want a sharper corner for doing pivots off the heel and lately skaters have been doing a rotation on their camels on the heel.
I also don't go back and forth as this means you can spend more time on the ends and especially the zone by the toepick is very important not too mess up.
https://youtu.be/Um8zKCEMUxo?si=DrkzyotnnbFikcrn
Some more good points from Gary Beacom. IMO he spends and inordinate amount of time fiddling. If your skate holder is setup perfectly level, then there is no need for so much checking. I check the blade before doing anything for bowing and level edges. I mark the entire blade length with a marker and then check it front middle and back by rubbing the wheel against the blade by hand.
https://youtu.be/2Tt4vO2GeJg?si=lyp6-Luclbem7wSN
A very nice machine, but once again someone is starting to sharpen without even checking the edges first! You can't assume every skate starts with level edges or that every blade has the same thickness so that it will be centered when you put it on the machine. Sure you can check for level edges after sharpening, but by then you could easily have taken off a lot of metal unnecessarily and have to go back an fix it.
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Thanks,
Mark (been sharpening for a dozen years at least)
#56
The Pro Shop / Re: Different sharpening techn...
Last post by NiceIce - February 17, 2025, 02:38:32 PMQuote from: Kaitsu on December 31, 2024, 10:05:08 AMHere is some collection of different power tool sharpening techniques and machines. These might be helpful for those whom want to learn skates sharpening or you are looking some out of the box ideas. These are presenting the collection which I have used to pick my knowledge and which has been a bit different than mainstream.
https://youtu.be/XP6yXq2umpY?si=p4kspPOSTLU_ke3L
OMG!
https://youtu.be/g3YcuC_LtAw?si=Xr9SRus17DkMoAU-
OMG again!
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0J6l60ESOa0
Well, his stone looks pretty coarse and he looks to be pressing kind of hard. Probably OK for rental skates. He is also not checking for level edges, but I suppose this can be fine for rental skates, where every skate blade is the same thickness.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FgdF96RuCFM
What in the heck? This machine looks way too weird.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l14Y0XGMYUE&t=452s
This looks to be very interesting. I know a Korean skater and maybe I will get her to watch this with me. Yu na seems to be having all kinds of skate/sharpening problems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MKXLYiVIvI&t=474s
This is Mark Ladwig who is a top Jackson/Ultima guy. Very nice technique. He says he show checking for level edges, but never does...
#57
The Pro Shop / Re: A way to center a sharpeni...
Last post by Qsior - February 11, 2025, 06:35:30 AMI think I know what it is, :-)
yesterday I sharpened gold seal, and I found a place to measure evenness. unfortunately, even though they were almost new, they were slightly bent at the end.
as You mentioned in one of your videos, it was probably because of bad assembly.
PS : Hurrraaa , I have my own
yesterday I sharpened gold seal, and I found a place to measure evenness. unfortunately, even though they were almost new, they were slightly bent at the end.
as You mentioned in one of your videos, it was probably because of bad assembly.
PS : Hurrraaa , I have my own
#58
The Pro Shop / Re: A way to center a sharpeni...
Last post by Kaitsu - February 10, 2025, 11:23:50 AMQsior, I do have my own method which enables using stanchions as a datum even the blade is in the skate holder. It works only in "normal" side honed blades, not in Revolution blades. For the Revolution blades, Paramount style of BAT gauge is best method I know. I have made my own version also form Paramount skates gauge what I use for Revolution blades.
#59
The Pro Shop / Re: A way to center a sharpeni...
Last post by Qsior - February 09, 2025, 06:41:32 PMQuote from: Kaitsu on February 02, 2025, 08:21:28 AMTip of the day...try to find some way to be able to use stanchions for measurement even skate would be in the skate holder.is it possible to do this, did you find a way?
in the movie I see that Bruce uses the little point near stanchion to check the squarness.
maybe that's what you meant?
#60
The Pro Shop / Re: A way to center a sharpeni...
Last post by Query - February 08, 2025, 01:40:03 PMI don't have a perfect solution to the residual magnetism problem.
A lot of people use magnetic gauges, so maybe the problem isn't real severe - if the magnetic force isn't too large.
Maybe you could swap the orientation of the gauges every time you use them, so the residual magnetism tends to cancel out. Not sure if that could work.
My best solution would be for HD Sports to make the sides of the part of blade that stays above the ice parallel.
A lot of people use magnetic gauges, so maybe the problem isn't real severe - if the magnetic force isn't too large.
Maybe you could swap the orientation of the gauges every time you use them, so the residual magnetism tends to cancel out. Not sure if that could work.
My best solution would be for HD Sports to make the sides of the part of blade that stays above the ice parallel.