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[Isk8NYC]

barrel roll vs mohawk

07-17-2007, 03:00 PM
icetrix         
Feel stupid for asking but.. I'm learning a new (beginner )step sequence and can't get my head round this: what is the difference between a barrel roll and a mohawk followed by a cross? I seem to be doing the same edgework, which surely can't be right?

  #2 
07-17-2007, 03:10 PM
Skittl1321
For whomever answers this question- can you describe what a barrel roll is, rather than just the difference between it and the mohawk? I've never heard the term and it has piqued my interest.

  #3 
07-17-2007, 03:32 PM
kander
A barrel roll is sort of like a traveling two foot spin in a squat position.

  #4 
07-17-2007, 03:51 PM
mintypoppet
For me, a barrel roll is a forward outside mohawk followed by a cross and then a step to forward. I was taught to do them around a hockey goal to stay on the correct edges.

So CCW, it would be:
LFO->RBO mohawk
cross onto LBI
step forward onto RFI

Can't help with the definition though, sorry. I guess a mohawk followed by a cross might be an inside mohawk? Or perhaps a barrel roll without a step to forward?

  #5 
07-17-2007, 04:06 PM
icetrix
Thanks mintypoppet, this is exactly how I was taught to do a barrel roll as well, at least I'm getting the footwork right! So is it then just a shorter way of saying 'mohawk+cross+step forward'?

Quote:
Originally Posted by mintypoppet
For me, a barrel roll is a forward outside mohawk followed by a cross and then a step to forward. I was taught to do them around a hockey goal to stay on the correct edges.

So CCW, it would be:
LFO->RBO mohawk
cross onto LBI
step forward onto RFI

  #6 
07-17-2007, 05:05 PM
kander
Is that a British definition? A barrel roll is definitely a (weird looking) two foot move

Quote:
Originally Posted by icetrix
Thanks mintypoppet, this is exactly how I was taught to do a barrel roll as well, at least I'm getting the footwork right! So is it then just a shorter way of saying 'mohawk+cross+step forward'?

  #7 
07-17-2007, 05:07 PM
techskater
Deep down in the knees, right kander?

The mohawk cross-step forward has been described as the "drunken sailor"

  #8 
07-17-2007, 05:22 PM
Clarice
A barrel roll is sort of like a traveling two foot spin in a squat position.

A former coach of my daughter used to do this move, and he always called it a traveling sit spin. What he called a barrel roll was the footwork thing everybody else is describing.

  #9 
07-17-2007, 05:54 PM
NoVa Sk8r
I think they are also known as piston turns.

Scott Williams used to do them all the time.
As did Holly Cook; watch here around the 1:45 mark:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=p9vOwgre7CA

  #10 
07-17-2007, 06:06 PM
kander
Yes, that's it. I've never heard it called a piston turn, although I can see why it would be.

Quote:
Originally Posted by NoVa Sk8r
I think they are also known as piston turns.

Scott Williams used to do them all the time.
As did Holly Cook; watch here around the 1:45 mark:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=p9vOwgre7CA


  #11 
07-17-2007, 06:21 PM
Morgail
This sounds just like the 8-step Mohawk, minus the slide chasse.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mintypoppet
So CCW, it would be:
LFO->RBO mohawk
cross onto LBI
step forward onto RFI

  #12 
07-17-2007, 06:56 PM
liz_on_ice
that is such a cool program!

Quote:
Originally Posted by NoVa Sk8r
I think they are also known as piston turns.

Scott Williams used to do them all the time.
As did Holly Cook; watch here around the 1:45 mark:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=p9vOwgre7CA

  #13 
07-17-2007, 10:22 PM
NoVa Sk8r
The music is "Another Cha Cha" by Santa Esmeralda, a fast, funky tune!
Quote:
Originally Posted by liz_on_ice
that is such a cool program!

I think piston turn (and/or piston roll) is the Canadian or British term.
Quote:
Originally Posted by kander
Yes, that's it. I've never heard it called a piston turn, although I can see why it would be.

  #14 
07-18-2007, 07:17 AM
flo
I do a string of outside mohawks cross in front to outside and go backwards in a line. It can get going pretty fast. Don't know if it's called anything.


Mod note: a few video links found on the web:

Piston Turns by John Carlow, Jr. https://youtu.be/JisdSEVCczw?t=157
Scotty Turns by namesake Scott Hamilton https://youtu.be/SRPzdTyBufo?t=114
Barrel Rolls & Piston Turns by Holly Cook https://youtu.be/FRCGNGVXnQs?t=246


A general display of footwork prowess by a few masters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCapfwISfAU

[AgnesNitt]

My coach loves these and every.other.mohawk.variation.

[Query]

FWIIW, I've seen a number of hockey players practice drunken sailors.

But that name isn't always applied to the same move:

Here are some youtube videos:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXPZllhCI2E

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix3MadYj5WQ

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3vAmxkra-0

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2ZxipI1Qd8
  (The first variation in this video is the most common move I have seen used. Note that it is usually continuous, with no breaks between iteraions.)

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03zZCrVV_m4

I do not know why they practice this move. Perhaps it is just a drill to increase coordination, or perhaps it is a bit of trickery to confuse opposing players.

Perhaps you could put it to music with the traditional sea shanty "What shall/do we/you do with a drunken sailor?" (which like any popular folk song, has many variations):

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_RWtdm81WU
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAmKqy-Vz6c
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVjW5p1Z_8s
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvRyftMZWUQ
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drunken_Sailor