Figure Skating -- Quick Q's & A's

[Isk8NYC]

Just for fun:

Answer the question before you (even if you have to Google it, that's okay) and then ask a different one.

For example:

Person 1/Q: Why do synchro skaters use Sk8tape?

Person 2/A: To cover their skates so everyone's looks the same on the team.

Person 2/Q: What figures are one the first test?

and so on...


If you want include a link to some resources, that's fine, but a short, clear answer will do.  
No essay questions or answers, please.

[Isk8NYC]

I'll start:  

Q: What figures are on the first test?

[icedancer]

Well, if by the first test you mean the Preliminary test then:

Edges (O, I backwards and forwards)
FO8
FI8
Waltz 8

If by the first test you mean the 1st test:

FO8
FI8

RF Serpentine
LF Serpentine
BO 8
3s to Center

Now do I have to ask another question?

[Isk8NYC]

yes, please

[drskater]

Cool!

What does it mean if a figure skater is "chacked"?

[AgnesNitt]

Stolen from Wiktionary:
From Michael Chack, an American figure skater whose bronze medal winning performance at the 1993 US National Championships was not broadcast on television because the producers did not think he would win a medal.
Verb
to chack (third-person singular simple present chacks, present participle chacking, simple past and past participle chacked)

(ice-skating) To not broadcast a medal-winning or otherwise memorable or crucial figure skating performance. This only occurs in a live broadcast because the network has to decide which programs to show and which to cut in the interest of time. If a skater is low in the rankings and several big names are set to skate later, that performance may be cut.

My question:
What's a jenkins spiral?

[Isk8NYC]

From the ISI Skaters and Coaches Handbook:

Jenkins or Forward Undercut Spiral

While gliding forward inside on a deeply bent knee, the free hip is held as low as the skating hip, free leg extended to the outside of the circle.  The move is uncaptured for [ISI] Pre-Alpha-Delta and Freestyle levels only.  It is a requirement in Couple 4 and Pair 2 so it cannot be performed below those levels.

Along the same lines:  What is a Chinese Arabesque?

[sk8Joyful]

From the ISI Skaters and Coaches Handbook:

Along the same lines:  What is a Chinese Arabesque?

from here: http://www.skatejournal.com/turnglide.html

"An arabesque or spiral in which the free leg is bent and the free foot or blade caught with the hand. The free leg may be held at any height."

(Kewl! - I've managed to do this 4 times so far, with my goal of an eventual Biellmann . Off-ice, I can hold Free-blade up to shoulder-blade more often)

What is an "uncaptured move" in competition?

[techskater]

An uncaptured move is one in which is not technically on a test or doesn't technically get a point value.  For ISI, I think this entails Bauers and spread eagles as examples.  For IJS it entails bauers, spread eagles, walleys, inside Axels, and so on.

 
What does the transition mark under IJS entail?

[Isk8NYC]

Transitions are one of the five Program Component Scores (PCS) of IJS.  It's also called "Linking Footwork" in some documents.  The other four components are Skating Skills, Performance/Execution, Choreography/Composition, and Interpretation (Timing.)

http://www.usfigureskating.org/content/IJS%20Handbook.pdf


If an Adult Silver freeskate program can be a maximum of 2m10s, what's the minimum length?

[sk8Joyful]

Transitions are one of the five Program Component Scores (PCS) of IJS.  It's also called "Linking Footwork" in some documents. 
The other four components are Skating Skills, Performance/Execution, Choreography/Composition, and Interpretation (Timing.)

http://www.usfigureskating.org/content/IJS%20Handbook.pdf


If an Adult Silver freeskate program can be a maximum of 2m10s, what's the minimum length?

1m30s

Which competitions judge by CoP system; and which competitions judge by 6.0 system?

[techskater]

Adult Silver has no minimum time, sk8joyful.

IJS (no such thing since the second season of existence as CoP; CoP is the name for Gymnastics judging) is used at Juvenile and higher levels and 6.0 is used for levels below Juvenile (unless a club decides to use IJS for PJ/Pre/Prepre).  For adults, 6.0 is used for all events at Sectionals and IJS is used for Gold and Master at Adult Nationals and at some local competitions. 

What changes to IJS this year are being referred to as the "Mao Asada rules?"

[sk8Joyful]

Adult Silver has no minimum time, sk8joyful.

IJS (no such thing since the second season of existence as CoP; CoP is the name for Gymnastics judging) is used at Juvenile and higher levels and 6.0 is used for levels below Juvenile (unless a club decides to use IJS for PJ/Pre/Prepre).  For adults, 6.0 is used for all events at Sectionals and IJS is used for Gold and Master at Adult Nationals and at some local competitions. 

What changes to IJS this year are being referred to as the "Mao Asada rules?"

re 'Adult Sliver' - Read several sites wrong? . But re 'COP', have read this several times, by figureskaters this past year . confusing.

Some smart cookie  will come along shortly with the answer to your question.

What specific handicaps? have some Individuals overcome, to successfully learn to iceskate.

[AgnesNitt]

What specific handicaps? have some Individuals overcome, to successfully learn to iceskate.

Elaine Zayak was missing part of her foot.

Scott Hamilton had a disorder that affected his growth

Rudy Galindo skated professionally with AIDS and two hip replacements

Madge Syers skated and took second place in the 1902 Olympic men's division, despite being a woman (see entry in wikipedia)


Question: Which skaters have rules or jumps or moves named after them.

[scootie12]

The famous Zayak rule (you can only perform 2 of a specific triple jump, and one must be in combination) - this rule was to limit the amount of triples done in a program, since skaters, like Zayak, would do many triple toes in the LP.

There's also what is loosely called the Asada Rule, which is to allow women to perform a solo triple axel in the short program.  This replaces the previous double axel requirement, which will now be a double or triple axel requirement.

There was also a loosely termed "Witt Rule" that required ladies to have a skirt as part of the costume.  Remember Witt, back in 1988, had the controversial SP costume with the feathers.  A rule was imposed for ladies to have skirt material on the costume, but that rule has since been replaced with new costume rules...one of which allows women to wear body suits.


As far as moves:

Biellmann
Axel
Salchow
Hamill Camel
Harding Spin (not really a famous move, but love Dick Button's "cross between a Hamill Camel and a tipsy skater")
Tano Lutz
Rippon Lutz



How many skaters can you name that have won two or more Olympic medals?

[Sierra]

Don't forget Kerrigan spiral, Ina Bauer, and the Walley jump.

[techskater]

How many skaters can you name that have won two or more Olympic medals?

Sonia Henie (3)
Dick Button
Carol Heiss
Both Jenkins brothers
Michelle Kwan
Katarina Witt
Brian Orser
Plushenko (3)
Gilles Grafstrom (3)
Ullrich Salchow
Maribel Vinson (Owens)

There's probably more...

There's also another part to the loosely named "Asada" rule which is the 70% rotation part

What's the difference between a < and a << under IJS

[aussieskater]

If the jump is marked "<", it was assessed by the Tech Panel as being between 1/4 turn and less than 1/2 turn short of rotation.  The jump has been called with its intended rotations, but only given 70% of the base value of the intended jump.

If the jump is marked "<<",  it was assessed by the Tech Panel as being 1/2 turn or more short of rotation.  The jump has been called as having one rotation less than intended, and is given the base value of the lower-rotation jump.

(In ice dance and - I think - pairs) what is the new rule regarding use of costumes, and why did this rule come about?

[sk8Joyful]

Quote from: sk8Joyful on Today at 00:08:13
What specific handicaps? have some Individuals overcome, to successfully learn to iceskate.

Elaine Zayak was missing part of her foot.

Scott Hamilton had a disorder that affected his growth

Rudy Galindo skated professionally with AIDS and two hip replacements

Madge Syers skated and took second place in the 1902 Olympic men's division, despite being a woman (see entry in wikipedia)


Question: Which skaters have rules or jumps or moves named after them.

Wow! - I asked, as being forced to recover from that Adrenal-collapse was no picnic either; so it helps to SEE what others have achieved, Yeah!

so far, the most I can readily say: the Biellmann Spiral, the Ina Bauer move, the Salchow-jump, & of course the Axel-jump: Michael's splendid Specialty

question: Since we learn Cross-overs in Alpha-class already, why are Edges not taught until two courses later? (unless we can get a Coach to let us)
What is the wisdom behind that order? Thanks!

[FigureSpins]

Basic edges are taught from the beginning, with one-foot glides (on flats), swizzles, curves and one-foot pumps.  Crossovers are taught in Basic 4 and advanced forward edges are taught in Basic 5.  Skaters learn crossovers before they're able to do advanced edges, but the Basic 5 edges will strengthen the existing crossover skills. 

"How many BASIC edges are there?"  

[Kim to the Max]

Forward:

Left Outside
Left Inside
Right Outside
Right Inside

Backward:

Left Outside
Left Inside
Right Outside
Right Inside

What are the basic elements a synchronized skating team can execute? ((i.e. a circle))

[FigureSpins]

It was a trick question: there are TWO basic edges: inside and outside. 
Sorry, it's a PSA and USFSA trivia question that anyone who knows how to skate gets wrong.
Congratulations - you're a skater!


Basic synchro elements: Line, block, circle, intersection, wheels and step outs where a few skaters do a different element like a spin, gliding maneuver or jump.

Did I miss anything?

[aussieskater]

What are the basic elements a synchronized skating team can execute? ((i.e. a circle))

Basic synchro elements: Line, block, circle, intersection, wheels and step outs where a few skaters do a different element like a spin, gliding maneuver or jump.

Did I miss anything?

The "step outs where a few skaters do a different element" are called Moves in Isolation.

The other basic elements you missed that I can think of are "Moves in the Field", where all the skaters have to do the same move (eg: spreadeagle); and "Step Sequences", done  either as a No Hold Step Sequence (formerly No Hold Block), or in a Block or Circle.  No matter that they are done in a Block or Circle shape, they must be made separate from the actual Block or Circle to be called.

In Senior only, they also have the Pair element, the Spin element, Spiral element, and the Lift.

Anyone want to go back and have a go at my earlier question, or do I need to post a different one?

(hint - if you're stuck, watch Domnina/Shabalin's FD from the Olympics this year.)

[AgnesNitt]

Anyone want to go back and have a go at my earlier question, or do I need to post a different one?

No treating the partner as luggage? IOW, no handholds?

[aussieskater]

No treating the partner as luggage? IOW, no handholds?

(Bingo!)