Is This Something?

[FigureSpins]

Students (beginners/low-level) come up to me all the time and ask: "Is this something?" then proceed to execute their latest achievement.  They all want to be able to claim a unique glide, jump or spin.  My scariest experience was the kid who would jump off two feet then land forwards after doing some wacky crossover, lol.  Everyone wants to invent the next Denise Beilmann or do Scotty Turns or even a Mike Pike.

Here's a challenge: describe some manuever you've seen or done.  Others try to figure out what it really was, lol.  Make sure to check back to see others' answers and respond to questions or "I got it!"

[FigureSpins]

Courtesy of a DD:

Skate backwards on a RBI edge, jump with the foot behind you, turn CW and land on a RBI edge.

[drskater]

Haha--love this topic!

Hmmm, there are lots of possibilities, but given the topic I'm going with--  failed salchow?

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Close enough - a one-footed CW salchow!  It's cool to see - makes you wonder what she did.

Anyone have another "Is This Something?"

[icedancer]

Close enough - a one-footed CW salchow!  It's cool to see - makes you wonder what she did.

I love this - it sounds like an inside-out loop jump - I love it when I see a program and I think - "what is that and how did they do it?" - Can she do it in a program?  I would love to see a little video.!

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I'll see if I can get her to skate it for the camera, but she's working on her ice dances, so freestyle's been taking a backseat.  Part of it came from getting confused since she's a CW skater and her twin is a CCW skater. 

Seen something/anything cool?  Tell us what it looks like and we'll guess what it is!

[jjane45]

Enter on LFO edge, pick with right leg, turn half revolution CCW, and land on LBI. How would you name this jump?

[drskater]

a half-floop?

[jjane45]

floop? lol but the take off is forward...

[drskater]

(I feel like I'm hogging this topic)

A half floopy hop? (half flip + half a half loop + bunny hop)

[FigureSpins]

This is a good one...the takeoff is forward with a toe assist...half-turn into curve...change edges but not feet...

Is it a toe-assisted three jump?

[jjane45]

Enter on LFO edge, pick with right leg, turn half revolution CCW, and land on LBI. How would you name this jump?

This was a question on Yahoo answers a while back, originally the asker did not specify the jump direction and said the landing was on LBO. Big mess =P

Later it turns out to be CCW with LBI landing. The closest description from Wikipedia jump list is one-foot-axel, except this has 1 revolution less and toe assistance = one-foot-waltz with toe assistance

In my opinion it cannot be called "one-foot-toe-waltz" because toe waltz (0.5 rev) is a cheated toe loop (1 rev) with half of the revolution done on the picking foot (left foot) and takes off forward. Since picking foot is the right foot, it cannot use the specific "toe waltz" terminology.

Is it reasonable to name the jump "one-foot-waltz with toe assistance"? LOL

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A jump that turns CCW from LFO to LBI LFI is called a "jumped three" or "three jump" in the US. 
I haven't heard the term "one foot waltz jump" but it's an apt description.

[jjane45]

LOL that's because I've never heard of "three jump", and iceskating.org.uk says it's the same as waltz! On the other hand, you mean LFO to LBI, right?

[FigureSpins]

Ah, yes, things get lost in the UK-US translation void.  Forgot you were from the UK.  US:Waltz does equal UK:Three Jump.  I wonder if "one foot waltz jump" is the UK term for the US Jumped Three?  Hmmmm.. ..

Yes, I did mean LBI.  I'll change my post.

Maybe we're both right, just using different terms.  Does anyone know the correct answer, though, if this came from Yahoo! Answers?

Truthfully, a lot of newbies just stick their toe in the ice whenever they feel like it and think they've invented something special.  They're not actually toeing-in, they're just chipping at the ice and their weight never transfers, so using the toepick in this example could be a red herring.  It's like watching an illusionist: the use of the toepick just distracts the viewer long enough to confuse them.

[fsk8r]

LOL that's because I've never heard of "three jump", and iceskating.org.uk says it's the same as waltz! On the other hand, you mean LFO to LBI, right?

Yes, but the one footed version is called a jumped three in the UK.

[jjane45]

Oh boy... Sorry for the series of confusion. I am not from UK and never heard of three jump nor jumped three before today. I made up the term "one foot waltz" because I could not think of anything better, haha.

It's a fun thread!

[fsk8r]

One of the old skating books (can't remember which and I'm not home to check) has a table of all possible jumps. Basically take any turn and you can do a half jump or a full rotation. Given that there are four basic turns (3 turn, bracket, counter, rocker), forwards and backwards and the different edges, toe-assisted or not, that's a lot of jump possibilities, and that's without worrying about the fact that some jumps are landed on opposite feet, eg waltz/ three jump versus a jumped three.

What was interesting with the table, was that it listed the names of the jumps, so a 1 revolution jump from a back counter with a toe-assist is a lutz, and without the toe-assist is a toe-less lutz (bit unoriginal on that one!). Quite fascinating to realise how many jumps used to be performed and have dropped out of favour and IJS doesn't really allow for some of the more unusual ones to make a come back.

[FigureSpins]

Okay, new round of "Is This Something?"  This IS a name-brand move - name the skater and his/her element title!

Skater travels forward with free leg extended to the front.  Skater catches free foot by the heel (opposite hand), then lowers body down into a one-foot glide in a sit-spin position.

Who did it and what was it called?

[drskater]

I had no idea this move has a name and that someone invented it. I admit that I've never seen a skater grab his/her heel--I've only seen (and done) a variation where you place your free leg on the skating leg, in a sit position with the free leg looking as if you are sitting cross-legged. Tee hee, in mind I've always called this move "shoot the duck for suckers," which is no reflection on the difficulty of the move, just its appearance.

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Need a hint? 

[jjane45]

A jump that turns CCW from LFO to LBI LFI is called a "jumped three" or "three jump" in the US.  
I haven't heard the term "one foot waltz jump" but it's an apt description.

What a coincidence, at the end of group lesson yesterday coach said "now do a one-footed waltz". I immediately asked "it's also called a three jump, right?" but he didn't seem to get it.

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It's called a "Mike Pike" or so Michael Weiss once stated.  He dropped it in favor of the Tornado, but he really wanted to have something of his own in skating.  It really isn't impressive - check out his 2006 Nationals program on YouTube.

I had no idea this move has a name and that someone invented it. I admit that I've never seen a skater grab his/her heel--I've only seen (and done) a variation where you place your free leg on the skating leg, in a sit position with the free leg looking as if you are sitting cross-legged. Tee hee, in mind I've always called this move "shoot the duck for suckers," which is no reflection on the difficulty of the move, just its appearance.

[kayskate]

Mike Pike is really just a variation of shoot the duck. no biggie.

Kay

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Mike Pike is really just a variation of shoot the duck. no biggie.

Ah, but it's still "something!"

New round: describe a skating move and let others guess if it's "something."