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Started by Sarah, May 09, 2020, 06:24:21 PM

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Query

Here is one more, "Titanium Beach Pegasis"

  http://skatingforums.com/index.php?topic=5634.msg64658#msg64658
  http://www.tibeachtech.com/

But that isn't the one I was thinking of.

Besides, I can't find a page that lists the product - maybe it was discontinued.

Query

Quote from: tstop4me on June 11, 2020, 05:47:00 PM
I've corrected your error on this previously.  The Riedell Titanium series uses titanium alloy for the chassis, but stainless steel for the runners.


You are right.

And Jackson only says the titanium coating somehow hardens the steel and makes the edge last longer - does that make any sense?

Jackson does mention a faster glide on their video, so perhaps it does have less friction? I'm not sure, because they also mention they have a "tapered edge", and the website says "Tapered Edges create less friction in comparison to traditional edges, resulting in better edge control and faster glide."

Query

Also, Jackson charges more for the Matrix series than the titanium coated Apex series, and some of the Matrix blades (like Supremes) are tapered too, so I don't know if there is meant to be an improvement over Matrix blades.

Also, http://www.tibeachtech.com/history.htm says titanium beach is working on the Pegasis blades, but that they have not been "certified" by USFSA or the ISU. It does not give details as to whether the entire blade is titanium, though it sounds like they might be. It also sounds like they have not sold many.

Additional details:

  http://www.tibeachtech.com/products.htm

At $1200-$1500, they are not cheap.

It's also possible their page is out of date, since part of their pages was updated in 1999, and it seems like that is enough time to become better known. In fact, I didn't succeed in emailing them.

If so, maybe no one makes completely titanium figure skating blades...

So ignore what I said about titanium.



tstop4me

Quote from: Bill_S on June 11, 2020, 05:12:47 PM
Who makes titanium blades?

More specifically, blades with titanium runners?
The Titanium Beach figure skate blade cited by Query has at least an edge portion fabricated from a titanium alloy; no details of the overall blade design (that is, there is no description of whether they have a chassis plus runner design, or a traditional integrated blade body attached to heel and sole plates).  The website shows materials specs as Timet Timetal 6-4, details of which are given here:  https://www.timet.com/assets/local/documents/datasheets/alphaandbetaalloys/6-4.pdf.  As Query mentioned, it's not clear what the state of their business is.  Their last news update was posted on 2/11/13; it mentioned an issued copyright for design drawings, as well as plans for prototype production.

Nitinol Blades (http://nitinolblades.com/) fabricates hockey runners from nitinol, a nickel-titanium alloy better known as memory metal.  Their website specifically mentions hockey blades, but their website also shows speed skates.  Don't know whether that's purely a marketing ploy, or whether they plan to produce speed skate runners as well.  Their website is also fairly sparse.

Here is a patent that was issued for titanium composite blades:  https://patents.google.com/patent/US6318738B1/en.

We've gone far, far adrift from the original post.