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Started by Kaitsu, December 31, 2024, 10:05:08 AM

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Kaitsu

December 31, 2024, 10:05:08 AM
Here is some collection of different power tool sharpening techniques and machines. These might be helpful for those whom want to learn skates sharpening or you are looking some out of the box ideas. These are presenting the collection which I have used to pick my knowledge and which has been a bit different than mainstream.

https://youtu.be/XP6yXq2umpY?si=p4kspPOSTLU_ke3L
https://youtu.be/g3YcuC_LtAw?si=Xr9SRus17DkMoAU-
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0J6l60ESOa0
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FgdF96RuCFM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l14Y0XGMYUE&t=452s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MKXLYiVIvI&t=474s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCJ3CniHFY8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrXGBIv4Bmo
https://youtu.be/Um8zKCEMUxo?si=DrkzyotnnbFikcrn
https://youtu.be/2Tt4vO2GeJg?si=lyp6-Luclbem7wSN

I would be interested to get direct links to videos or search words with other langue's than English. I assume this forum has members which home langue is something else than English. Its hard to find similar videos when I don't know what search words I should use or is there some better channels than Youtube, which is blocked in some countries.

I hope Query is not sharing this time his tips to use google translator or search words which he has translated with google translator. That I can puzzle by my selves. I am now asking help from the people whom home langue is somethings else than English.

Query

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December 31, 2024, 12:03:31 PM

Kaitsu

#2
December 31, 2024, 02:56:04 PM
Quote from: Kaitsu on December 31, 2024, 10:05:08 AMI would be interested to get direct links to videos or search words with other langue's than English.

:nvm:

AlbaNY

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December 31, 2024, 03:25:14 PM
Quote from: Kaitsu on December 31, 2024, 02:56:04 PM:nvm:

Sorry, I speak a couple but have no good resources about sharpening.   :blank: 

ETA: that first guy, the Dutch one!  OMG, it's the horizontal version of the Romanian with a bench grinder. 
ETAA: I'm going to be busy watching skate techs for a little while.

Query

#4
January 01, 2025, 07:26:15 PM
What do people think about the "EZ Skate Sharpener?" It has holders available for both hockey and figure. While it only supports 7 or 8" wheels, so it can't sharpen as close to the toepick as the Incredible Edger it looks like a very simple design. Would it be relatively easy to copy that design?

I know this doesn't directly address your desire for non-English-language sources on skate sharpening machines, and neither did my other comment, but it is an example of a fairly popular skate sharpening machine.

Also, BTW, an obvious current problem with the Incredible Edger is that when the new company took over IceSkateology.com, they upped the price a lot. It sounds like it was a pretty good machine, but $5200 ($5800 if you want holders for both hockey & figure blades) is a lot for individual skaters who aren't running a pro shop or skate sharpening business, up from $3600 (or $4100) a few months ago. Even the old price was significantly more expensive than machines from Wissota and the lower end BladeMaster machines. That makes me wonder whether the new company just bought up the old company's stock, and isn't making new ones?

Query

#5
January 01, 2025, 07:33:32 PM
Still English language, but AliExpress has cheap Chinese goods, including low cost powered skate sharpeners in the $132-$250 range.

https://www.aliexpress.us/w/wholesale-skate-sharpener.html?g=y&SearchText=skate+sharpener&sortType=price_asc&pr=100

Some of the AliExpress ads describe them as being able to sharpen hockey or figure blades, I don't see how to dress the sharpening wheel. Perhaps you could add a dresser? That might be cheaper than trying to build your own machine.

Some might be underpowered, perhaps defeating the major purpose of using a powered sharpening machine, which is partly so that you can sharpen fast in a pro shop business.

BTW, any time you order AC electrical appliances from another country, be very careful about AC voltage and frequency. Some cheap AC voltage "converters" don't even convert frequency. And many of those that do don't generate "pure sine waves". Either might burn out a motor, and/or make it less effective. Perhaps it's best to use appliances designed for your voltage and frequency?

marc

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January 05, 2025, 04:47:26 PM
Bonjour tout le monde.
En France, nous trouvons rien d'intéressant sur youtube ou sur le net.
En langue française, on peut tomber un peu  sur le canada / quebec

J'avais essayé un peu de chercher vers les pays asiatiques ( chine/ Japon) , mais avec translate, j'ai pas réussi.
J'aimerais bien savoir comment ils font dans ces pays car je suis même pas sûr qu'il affûtent avec l'incredible edger.
Si quelqu'un pouvait nous aider dans ces langues cela m'intéresse aussi.

NiceIce

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February 17, 2025, 02:38:32 PM
Quote from: Kaitsu on December 31, 2024, 10:05:08 AMHere is some collection of different power tool sharpening techniques and machines. These might be helpful for those whom want to learn skates sharpening or you are looking some out of the box ideas. These are presenting the collection which I have used to pick my knowledge and which has been a bit different than mainstream.

https://youtu.be/XP6yXq2umpY?si=p4kspPOSTLU_ke3L
OMG!

https://youtu.be/g3YcuC_LtAw?si=Xr9SRus17DkMoAU-
OMG again!

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0J6l60ESOa0
Well, his stone looks pretty coarse and he looks to be pressing kind of hard.  Probably OK for rental skates.  He is also not checking for level edges, but I suppose this can be fine for rental skates, where every skate blade is the same thickness.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FgdF96RuCFM
What in the heck?  This machine looks way too weird.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l14Y0XGMYUE&t=452s
This looks to be very interesting.  I know a Korean skater and maybe I will get her to watch this with me.  Yu na seems to be having all kinds of skate/sharpening problems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MKXLYiVIvI&t=474s
This is Mark Ladwig who is a top Jackson/Ultima guy.  Very nice technique.  He says he show checking for level edges, but never does...


NiceIce

#9
February 17, 2025, 02:38:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCJ3CniHFY8
Some really complex setup on a BladeMaster.  Don't they have an adjustable skate holder?  If you setup a wheel height for a single blade, what do you do for all the other blades that have different thickness?  Seems crazy.  Maybe that's why I see shops using Wissota skate holders.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrXGBIv4Bmo
Excellent points by Gary Beacom.  I do tend to be more careful about rounding off the heel.  Some skaters to want a sharper corner for doing pivots off the heel and lately skaters have been doing a rotation on their camels on the heel.

I also don't go back and forth as this means you can spend more time on the ends and especially the zone by the toepick is very important not too mess up.

https://youtu.be/Um8zKCEMUxo?si=DrkzyotnnbFikcrn
Some more good points from Gary Beacom.  IMO he spends and inordinate amount of time fiddling.  If your skate holder is setup perfectly level, then there is no need for so much checking.  I check the blade before doing anything for bowing and level edges.  I mark the entire blade length with a marker and then check it front middle and back by rubbing the wheel against the blade by hand.

https://youtu.be/2Tt4vO2GeJg?si=lyp6-Luclbem7wSN
A very nice machine, but once again someone is starting to sharpen without even checking the edges first!  You can't assume every skate starts with level edges or that every blade has the same thickness so that it will be centered when you put it on the machine.  Sure you can check for level edges after sharpening, but by then you could easily have taken off a lot of metal unnecessarily and have to go back an fix it.
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Thanks,


Mark (been sharpening for a dozen years at least)

NiceIce

#10
February 17, 2025, 02:40:30 PM
Quote from: marc on January 05, 2025, 04:47:26 PMBonjour tout le monde.
En France, nous trouvons rien d'intéressant sur youtube ou sur le net.
En langue française, on peut tomber un peu  sur le canada / quebec

J'avais essayé un peu de chercher vers les pays asiatiques ( chine/ Japon) , mais avec translate, j'ai pas réussi.
J'aimerais bien savoir comment ils font dans ces pays car je suis même pas sûr qu'il affûtent avec l'incredible edger.
Si quelqu'un pouvait nous aider dans ces langues cela m'intéresse aussi.


Marc,

Who is not getting sharp edges on the Incredible Edger?



Mark

Kaitsu

#11
February 19, 2025, 10:04:43 AM
NiceIce, Did you meant to say that you have sharpened skates already dozens years?

Quote from: NiceIce on February 17, 2025, 02:38:45 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCJ3CniHFY8
Some really complex setup on a BladeMaster.  Don't they have an adjustable skate holder?  If you setup a wheel height for a single blade, what do you do for all the other blades that have different thickness?  Seems crazy.  Maybe that's why I see shops using Wissota skate holders.

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I check the blade before doing anything for bowing and level edges.  I mark the entire blade length with a marker and then check it front middle and back by rubbing the wheel against the blade by hand.

Blademaster BHC2005 Height comparator is supposed to do same trick as your marker trick, except that your methods works mainly for the blades where edges are already even. BHC2005 may work also for the blades which has uneven edges. System looks more complex than what it is. Blademaster is only manufacturer which has even tried to invent something for the problem where skate holders does have 2-3 height adjustments but no any scale for them. Clicking height adjustment screws cannot be counted to be any scale and they do not provide stepless adjustment.
Here you can see how the tool is used. https://youtu.be/i1dOFcz_LL8?si=JLHjfNjXYR6A2sxj

Often whole work process is not shown in Youtube videos. You can see how Beltwesty checks edges evenness and uses similar techniques as you. They are just in different clips.

Kaitsu

#12
February 19, 2025, 10:16:24 AM
Quote from: NiceIce on February 17, 2025, 02:40:30 PMWho is not getting sharp edges on the Incredible Edger?
Mark

Marc has not even claimed that its not possible to get sharp edges with IE.
Marc was telling us that most likely IE is used also in Asia (China / Japan), but He has not find any videos how they use them. Just like Marc, I would be interested to know what machines they use. They have really good skaters, so I assume skates are not sharpened handheld in normal bench grinder, like we can see in some videos I linked.

marc

#13
February 20, 2025, 05:12:22 PM
Quote from: Kaitsu on February 19, 2025, 10:16:24 AMMarc has not even claimed that its not possible to get sharp edges with IE.
Marc was telling us that most likely IE is used also in Asia (China / Japan), but He has not find any videos how they use them. Just like Marc, I would be interested to know what machines they use. They have really good skaters, so I assume skates are not sharpened handheld in normal bench grinder, like we can see in some videos I linked.

Nicelse:
Cela a dû mal traduire, et vous avez mal compris

Kaitsu:
Oui, vous avez compris ce que je voulais dire.

Kaitsu a partagé des différents savoir et techniques et ce que j'aurais aimé savoir, c'est comment font les pays asiatiques pour affûter car ils ont de très bons patineurs et eux aussi doivent avoir leur secret/ technique.,.
Ils sont tellement censuré que nous connaissons rien d'eux.
Peut être qu'ils ont leur propre incredible edger copié ou fabriqué chez eux ...
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