Where do you get rotation for double loop when you do it off ice? I jump up and pull in into backspin position, but can't really get more than one revolution. I do not want to use my arms to create rotation, since that is precisely what you do not want to do on ice.
I am able to do axel, 2sal and 2toe off ice, but not the loop! I tired doing 1/4 turn hops before jumping up, but all to no avail. If I take off from both feet, I have more rotational energy, but it is that pesky one leg take off that I am having trouble with!