They are deemed to be more of recreational skates though I think. But they were still much better (toe picks, boot support) than my actual recreational skates I had before them. Nevertheless, I did manage to learn quite a bit on them, but they're not enough for me now (support wise and the fact that they've broken down so soon since they're not meant to be jumped on so much) and I have to get new boots. Honestly, if I could have know beforehand what my progress would be and if I knew more about boots then, I would have gotten something a little better. But again, it really all depends on your progress and everything. Good luck.