So I was practicing at a public session yesterday, working at tortoise speed on my very clunky back crossovers next to the wall and trying to convince myself that yes, my feet are still attached so I don't need to keep looking at them. A tween in rental skates passed by and said I was really good. I thanked her and then she asked "Are you a figure skater?" I sort of laughed and said "I aspire." But it got me thinking. How does one define that? Who's a figure skater, and who's just a "person who skates"? I'm sure the answer depends on perspective.
I've been at this for about two years. I've passed ISI Alpha and USFSA Adult 2, and hope to make it further if I can get past my block on backwards skills, which is happening very very slowly. I'm thinking about competing (Alpha) at ISI Adult Nationals (since it's practically in my backyard...). This morning I tried on the leotard and dance skirt I just got, to see just how silly I looked in that getup. (I'm a jeans-and-tshirt person normally... my daughter was mortified to see me in a short skirt.) I spend more time on skating web sites than anything else right now. So I've got AOSS pretty bad.
So yes, I'm doing more and different things than the folks who learn forward skating skills and then just have fun with friends at public sessions. But I'm nowhere near as good as many of the other adult skaters out there. I have no real natural talent for this, so any progress I make is through sheer stubbornness and takes place on a geologic time scale. I have no aspirations of doing any "real" figure skating tricks- I just don't think I have the aptitude for it. (Not that I'm giving up; we'll see how far I get!)
So... am I a figure skater? At what point did you start thinking of yourself as a figure skater, and not just a person who skates?
You've set goals, and you have worked on plans to achieve them through your lessons. In my mind, that separates you from a recreational skater.
And you know you're not going to play hockey or speedskate (I assume!), so that leaves only one conclusion - you're a genuine figure skater!
I'm in the club! ;)
I actually just discovered that a local rink is going to be offering speed skating classes. I briefly considered it. Not because I have any interest in speed skating for its own sake, but because going fast terrifies me, and I thought it might be a good way to get past that. Then I came to my senses. I don't think being surrounded by speed demons is really going to help me...
FWIW, I've always cast an envious eye toward the speed skaters. It mostly started when a rink sharpening in the 70s wrecked a pair of figure skating blades. They completely flattened the rocker. I found that the skates didn't like to turn afterward, but hello Flash Gordon, they were SO UTTERLY FAST to skate on. That's when that little light bulb came on about speed skating.
Be careful when kids ask if you're a "real figure skater". I had a young boy, part of a youth group who were skating at a public, come up and ask me that one day. In response I said "well, I am wearing figure skates, am I not?" Next thing he asked was would I do a jump for him? Luckily, I was warmed up enough to give him a decent Waltz jump without making a complete fool of myself. He nodded his satisfaction and skated away. So, be fore-warned-- with kids it's a slippery slope; one question tends to lead to another...!
Quote from: Bill_S on August 02, 2014, 04:51:11 PM
FWIW, I've always cast an envious eye toward the speed skaters. It mostly started when a rink sharpening in the 70s wrecked a pair of figure skating blades. They completely flattened the rocker. I found that the skates didn't like to turn afterward, but hello Flash Gordon, they were SO UTTERLY FAST to skate on. That's when that little light bulb came on about speed skating.
Fun! (Well, not for your poor blades...)
Quote from: lutefisk on August 02, 2014, 06:00:28 PM
Be careful when kids ask if you're a "real figure skater". I had a young boy, part of a youth group who were skating at a public, come up and ask me that one day. In response I said "well, I am wearing figure skates, am I not?" Next thing he asked was would I do a jump for him? Luckily, I was warmed up enough to give him a decent Waltz jump without making a complete fool of myself. He nodded his satisfaction and skated away. So, be fore-warned-- with kids it's a slippery slope; one question tends to lead to another...!
Uh oh. I'll keep that in mind. I'm nowhere near jumps yet... I could do a pivot, at least.
Interesting question -
I am a figure skater but consider myself a recreational skater because I don't compete. I wonder now about that definition also?
So I have had people ask me if I am a figure skater or an ice dancer? Like really, there is a difference? Not really in my mind as these disciplines are all under the umbrella of "figure skating".
Plus I do figures.... so then we get into the whole definition of figure skater - a skater who does figures - and really most people who are wearing "figure skating boots and blades" are really not figure skaters anymore...
Kids ask me all the time if I'm a teacher so I assume that means I'm real figure skater if I've got them fooled.
Yes, do the competition! I did my first ISI Adult Nationals as an Alpha and it was fun and terrifying. I have to miss this year, boo, but it's been a tough year and I'm not in the best shape and so I don't want to spend the money to go across the country if I'm not my best.
Yes!
If you run, you are a runner. If you drive a bicycle, you are a bicyclist. If you drive, you are a driver. So if you use figure skates, you are a figure skater.
If the asker was wearing figure skates, the answer could have been "We both are!"
Such words don't belong to the performance elite.
Although if you wear hockey skates, that does not make you a hockey player.
Quote from: skatezilla on August 04, 2014, 12:35:04 AM
Kids ask me all the time if I'm a teacher so I assume that means I'm real figure skater if I've got them fooled.
Yes, do the competition! I did my first ISI Adult Nationals as an Alpha and it was fun and terrifying. I have to miss this year, boo, but it's been a tough year and I'm not in the best shape and so I don't want to spend the money to go across the country if I'm not my best.
I'm seriously considering it, to the point of thinking about music and outfit. Which I have questions about, but I'll start a separate topic...
Quote from: icedancer on August 03, 2014, 01:24:25 PM
Interesting question -
I am a figure skater but consider myself a recreational skater because I don't compete. I wonder now about that definition also?
So I have had people ask me if I am a figure skater or an ice dancer? Like really, there is a difference? Not really in my mind as these disciplines are all under the umbrella of "figure skating".
Plus I do figures.... so then we get into the whole definition of figure skater - a skater who does figures - and really most people who are wearing "figure skating boots and blades" are really not figure skaters anymore...
While few skaters do patch any more simple figures, like the Waltz 8, are part of moves tests. So in an ever distancing way we're still "figure skaters".
Quote from: Query on August 04, 2014, 11:22:50 AM
If you run, you are a runner.
Don't get the runners started on this one, they have their own debate as to whether they're a runner or a jogger.
On one level- everyone who skates seriously- on figure boots and blades and on freeskate elements (or aspires to) is a figure skater. But there's always going to be those who say you're recreational unless you compete, or have your axel or something.
I remember the first moment I decided I'd work hard on skating, the first moment I committed. What was I- I think I was working on three turns? Wow. It couldn't be all that long ago, either, I've been skating for two years and have all my singles.
I also remember this one coach at my rink, I told her I practice as much as I can whenever I can, and then she said, "Great! That means you're a real figure skater!" So maybe the distinction comes with passion! In that I'd totally say you're a figure skater. You love it an you're committed, totally! No one wants to hear someone snobbing about how you're not a "real" figure skater until you compete at *this level* and can land *this* jump.
Also, I know how you feel with the "most of my internet surfing is on skating-related websites". That's me for sure, it comes in waves every few weeks when I do extensive research.
To be honest, I'm still not comfortable with the "skater" label. I skate, but I don't really consider myself a "skater". For me, that term is reserved for those who do this as a really serious hobby, going to the rink 4-6x a week, and being able to glide on ice the way they want to. I've always been envious of those who can do quick turns -- wish I could do that!
Quote from: sampaguita on August 10, 2014, 10:34:04 AM
To be honest, I'm still not comfortable with the "skater" label. I skate, but I don't really consider myself a "skater". For me, that term is reserved for those who do this as a really serious hobby, going to the rink 4-6x a week, and being able to glide on ice the way they want to. I've always been envious of those who can do quick turns -- wish I could do that!
It took me a long time to get there, and I only manged it when the fitter from Harlicks decided I needed a wider boot tongue. There's a lot of skills rebuilding/changing/happening, that never happened because my tongue had a half inch gap on each side at the ankle when I bent my ankle.
Yesterday I told my coach that when the rink finishes rebuilding the ice I'll be ready for bunny hops. For the first time I feel stable at the ankle.
Quote from: sampaguita on August 10, 2014, 10:34:04 AM
To be honest, I'm still not comfortable with the "skater" label. I skate, but I don't really consider myself a "skater". For me, that term is reserved for those who do this as a really serious hobby, going to the rink 4-6x a week, and being able to glide on ice the way they want to. I've always been envious of those who can do quick turns -- wish I could do that!
I can't make it to the rink four times a week, but I still consider myself a skater. Why should I not use the label because of time constraints? Most of the people that know me consider me a skater simply because I skate twice a week.
I consider myself a figure skater because I do more than just skate round in circles. I would view anyone who makes the effort to progress and learn new moves etc. as a figure skater. I don't think time spent skating has anything to do with it as I know a lot of people who skate 5+ hours a week but they just go round in circles.
Quote from: sampaguita on August 10, 2014, 10:34:04 AM
and being able to glide on ice the way they want to.
But what you don't see is that the person gliding on the ice the way they want to (in your mind) is unhappy with some aspect of it because it's not the quality that he/she wants. One thing about skaters is that generally they are all perfectionists.
Quote from: techskater on August 10, 2014, 05:52:20 PM
But what you don't see is that the person gliding on the ice the way they want to (in your mind) is unhappy with some aspect of it because it's not the quality that he/she wants. One thing about skaters is that generally they are all perfectionists.
A skater friend of mine joked that it's the perfect sport for OCD types... as an example, she was being fitted for boots and the fitter put her right boot on first. She made him take them off and start over, because she said she always needs the *left* boot put on first. I looked at her like she was crazy, because of course, you always put the *right* boot on first... :laugh:
Man sorry to blogroll but I categorized skaters a while back. Have some fun with it.
What kind of skater are YOU?! (http://icedoesntcare.blogspot.com/2013/01/what-kind-of-skater-are-you.html)
Quote from: AgnesNitt on August 10, 2014, 06:19:42 PM
Man sorry to blogroll but I categorized skaters a while back. Have some fun with it.
What kind of skater are YOU?! (http://icedoesntcare.blogspot.com/2013/01/what-kind-of-skater-are-you.html)
Test skater.
I am a Recreational Skater. But feelin' good about the new boots, may shift up to Test Skater this year!
I'm recreational, too, except I take group lessons, not private. But most of the time the "group" is just me or me and another person. :)
Competitive recreational skater ;D
I'm a competitive recreational skater :)
Quote from: techskater on August 10, 2014, 05:52:20 PM
But what you don't see is that the person gliding on the ice the way they want to (in your mind) is unhappy with some aspect of it because it's not the quality that he/she wants. One thing about skaters is that generally they are all perfectionists.
Exactly! :)
I don't know what kind of skater I am. I'm in Freestyle 1 in group class, and even performed in a show once. And I have my own skates. I like to think I'm really committed to improving. I've never taken a private lesson, though. ???
Currently a casual skater but am an aspiring "competitive recreational skaters".
Once I complete basic skills I will become a test skater then move on to competitive recreational skater.
I am a recreational skater who occasionally drifts into the test skater or competitive skater realm. I have also been a synchro skater.
I never thought of myself as a recreational skater until a friend of mine - also a judge (and a National Judge at that!) described herself as a recreational skater because she no longer tested or competed. She loved skating at all levels and encouraged everyone to skate. I really admire that about her and thought, "I'm a recreational skater!!" - yea!!
I notice that none of those categories are "figure" skaters. ;)
Seems to me that there are two different categories involved here: the level of involvement (recreational, test, competitive, etc.) and the subdiscipline (freestyle, dance, synchro, figures, etc.). Both have fuzziness... for example, right now I'm working on basic skills, don't take privates normally, but am about to work with a coach for an ISI Alpha level competition. But I wouldn't call myself a competitive recreational skater, since I'm not even onto the real test track yet.
I think I'll just keep it simple. I skate.
I had a chance to reconsider the OP's question.
"Am I a figure skater?"
I think my answer is this:
Do my blades have toepicks on them?
Do I own my own boots?
Yes to both? I am a figure skater.
If I'm skating in rentals then I'm either 'not there yet' or 'used to be' a figure skater. I think boot ownership makes the commitment that you're staying with the sport and making a commitment.
I actually like skategeek's explanation although I often fall into the category "ice-dancer" or "figures-skater" or "Moves-in the Field Skater". I actually think of myself as an "Ice Skater".
Quote from: icedancer on August 13, 2014, 08:31:47 PM
I actually like skategeek's explanation although I often fall into the category "ice-dancer" or "figures-skater" or "Moves-in the Field Skater". I actually think of myself as an "Ice Skater".
Thanks! :blush:
Geek that I am, now that I've got two variables (one roughly continuous and one more categorical), I'm trying to think of good ways to do a graphic representation of this...