I've noticed when a skater does a jump (any jump), when they land they either glide out of the jump or they come almost to a stand still. In my untrained eye, both skaters did the same exact jump...so why are some able to glide and others have to push to move again?
Excessive dragging of the toepick. Underrotation. Only pushing down and not forward on the takeoff.
Often jumps are learned with a stationary or slow landing, so that underrotations are less dangerous.
Personally, my jumps come to a dead stop if I have an excessive forward hunch.
Thanks!
If the skater lands on a flat it may kill their speed. A lot of beginners do this to prevent falling.
I can also kill my speed just before take off by dragging the toe-pick. As it's just before take-off it's sometimes not noticed by my coach until there's no landing edge. I know what I'm doing and I know it's wrong, but sometimes I'm just a little too fast for comfort.
My coach is constantly telling me to stop dragging my toepick into jumps!
Quote from: turnip on May 14, 2012, 08:23:12 AM
My coach is constantly telling me to stop dragging my toepick into jumps!
If you're not terrified of the speed you're going, a technique one coach told me was to think about making the jump quieter. You should be able to just slightly adjust what you're doing so you're off the toe-pick that way. But quite often it's caused by the hunching forwards that JJane refers to.
Quote from: nicklaszlo on May 12, 2012, 11:07:29 PM
Excessive dragging of the toepick. Underrotation. Only pushing down and not forward on the takeoff.
Often jumps are learned with a stationary or slow landing, so that under-rotations are less dangerous.
This may be a silly question, but can someone please explain to me exactly what underestimation is, what causes it, etc? I am a bit confused as to exactly what under-rotating is. Thanks :)
Under-rotating is when you don't complete the jump rotation in the air. The rotation is "completed" on the ice either by spinning on the toe on the landing (typically when a jump is more than 1/4 but less than 1/2 rotation under), or actually landing forward and doing a quick 3-turn to skate backwards. It's more common with doubles and triples than single jumps.
Quote from: sarahspins on May 14, 2012, 04:42:22 PM
It's more common with doubles and triples than single jumps.
Beginner single jumps with poor technique are not immune... Cough single (f)lutz cough.
Well, I was more making the point that someone who habitually under-rotates their doubles will typically do it on most, if not all of them, it usually isn't just one "problem" jump :) (and I hear you on that lutz, it remains my nemesis).
It's kind of the same thing with two-footing jumps.. skaters who do it tend to land most of their jumps that way because it becomes habit.
Agree. Practice makes permanent. Sometimes it's more advantageous to just fall (safely) then to two foot to avoid it becoming second-nature. Some skaters just protect their landings by two footing when they're nervous or timid, though...
EDIT: Well, I guess that's your point about the habits XD
Quote from: jjane45 on May 14, 2012, 05:00:03 PM
Beginner single jumps with poor technique are not immune... Cough single (f)lutz cough.
I do the same thing!!! I was reading this thread and I immediately envisioned how I look, dragging my toe pick as I approach the Lutz, or Flutz, lol