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Title: Why is there a pre-preliminary group A and pre-preliminary group B
Post by: hopskipjump on June 27, 2011, 12:28:52 PM
what is the difference between them?  it looks like they are in A or B all season.
Title: Re: Why is there a pre-preliminary group A and pre-preliminary group B
Post by: Skittl1321 on June 27, 2011, 12:55:20 PM
There are usually multiple groups because there are so many kids at this level- this just gives more kids a shot at medaling (some will also divide groups by age).  I think a few competitions will divide A and B as "no axel" and "axel" and you specifically register for those groups, but it is not an official level, so you need to read the competition announcement to know exactly what it means.

Usually you just get to the competition and find out you've been put in group A, and it's just to make the flights more manageable.

Can you post an example of the announcement?  I searched a few clubs in different regions and couldn't find any that have you register that way.
Title: Re: Why is there a pre-preliminary group A and pre-preliminary group B
Post by: hopskipjump on June 27, 2011, 01:05:12 PM
Thanks !  I was guessing that A were girls who were prepre their 2nd year and B was first year prepre.  :D  I couldn't find any explanation online.
Title: Re: Why is there a pre-preliminary group A and pre-preliminary group B
Post by: Clarice on June 27, 2011, 01:14:21 PM
If there are enough skaters to divide into more than one group, the groups will usually be divided by birth dates.
Title: Re: Why is there a pre-preliminary group A and pre-preliminary group B
Post by: isakswings on June 27, 2011, 01:55:00 PM
The last comp my daughter was in, there were 3 groups of pre-pre. She was in group C which was indeed, the older kids. :) Group A were the youngest kids and group b were the kids who were in the middle of a and c. LOL!
Title: Re: Why is there a pre-preliminary group A and pre-preliminary group B
Post by: sk8dsmom on June 27, 2011, 08:28:19 PM
hopskipjump  Are you in US or Canada (ie. Ontario)?  If somewhere in Ontario, usually PrePreA is waltz jump, salchow and toeloop only.  PrePreB allows up to loop and flip.  For both PrePreA & PrePreB skater must not have passed Preliminary Test.  (In some sections there's PrePreC as well.)
In all these, usually it's then separated into age flighted.  Similarly for Prelim A (up to lutz) and Prelim B (up to axel).
Title: Re: Why is there a pre-preliminary group A and pre-preliminary group B
Post by: hopskipjump on June 28, 2011, 12:34:15 AM
I'm in the US.   &)
Title: Re: Why is there a pre-preliminary group A and pre-preliminary group B
Post by: blue111moon on June 28, 2011, 07:29:31 AM
In the New England area, many of the non-qual competitions divide PrePre in A (no axel) and B (axel allowed).  The axel is such a stumbling block for a lot of skaters that having a no-axel group gives those without a consistent axel a place to compete with others in the same boat.  (There are some of us who feel that axels have no place in Pre-Pre at all, but that's another issue. :) )

The only way to tell what the requirements for the levels are is to read the announcement for that competition.  USFS rules allow clubs to subdivide levels as they choose as long as they don't make them more liberal than the Rulebook specifications. 
Title: Re: Why is there a pre-preliminary group A and pre-preliminary group B
Post by: PinkLaces on June 29, 2011, 01:03:30 PM
It depends on the competition. You have to read the announcement. It can be for axel/non-axel or it can be just to divide kids up by age group.  Before the US had test track, some of the competitions my DD was in had groups of A-H (9 skaters in each).