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The Pro Shop / Re: New jacksons blade loose
« Last post by tstop4me on February 12, 2018, 10:03:47 PM »
Obviously, I have.  It wasn't pretty.  Of course, they were "manly men" who didn't wear eye protection or gloves.  ROFLOL!
Yeah, know what you mean.  I served a rotational stint as safety monitor for my lab, with strict orders from execs to enforce OSHA compliance.  Lots of confrontations, because the old techs thought safety gear was for wimps.
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The Pro Shop / Well-narrated Skate Sharpening Video
« Last post by FigureSpins on February 12, 2018, 07:09:48 PM »
I like his accent and how matter-of-fact he is about checking and testing.  Very informative. 

https://youtu.be/VlI2NeTys48
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The Pro Shop / Re: New jacksons blade loose
« Last post by FigureSpins on February 12, 2018, 07:01:56 PM »
But in fairness to those "high school hockey boys who disdain figure skating" who sharpen skates, <snip>

The OP said she asked for help with the loose screws and the shop staff didn't want to get involved.  I didn't say that's who sharpened the skates. 

I can understand their position: if all your knowledge is in hockey skates with riveted blades, you'd run scared at the sight of a screwdriver.  I advised her to contact the manager/owner and make an appointment. 

I've never seen that. 

Obviously, I have.  It wasn't pretty.  Of course, they were "manly men" who didn't wear eye protection or gloves.  ROFLOL!

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Media Center / Re: Johnny & Tara not fun this event. Fewer replays.
« Last post by Query on February 12, 2018, 06:13:28 PM »
As a person who isn't so good at catching the subtleties, I find all the commentators remarks useful. I suspect NBC or the USFSA told Johnny and Tara to tone down the byplay. I don't agree. This should be a fun sport and game, not an autopsy. Terry used to provide the statistics and work the math, and did a great job of it. I think Johnny & Tara tried to do that too - and it isn't their strong point. But they sometimes do take off on a tangent, and miss what is happening on the ice, which I don't like.

Maybe NBC should create an alternate audio program, with no commentary, or place the commentary on the subwoofer audio channel, so people with 5.1 audio can turn it down or off. Or put Johnny & Tara on one audio program, Scott and Tanith on the other. For that matter, I would love to have someone trained as a figure skating judge make commentary too.

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The Pro Shop / Re: New jacksons blade loose
« Last post by Query on February 12, 2018, 05:42:05 PM »
I completely agree with FigureSpins's advice. You simply have to seek out the advice of the better skaters or coaches, and talk to the guy in charge too.

But in fairness to those "high school hockey boys who disdain figure skating" who sharpen skates, I believe that the fault still lies mainly with management. I believe most people love to do a good job, at almost everything they do. But if they aren't well trained, they can't.

Jacquiejj, if none of the better skaters or coaches have useful advice or help, maybe they get together and send someone to a distant sharpener with all their skates, or send them mail order to another shop. Perhaps you can go in with them on that, with a brief explanatory note attached your skates.

There is one problem with even some experienced skate techs that may not be immediately obvious to you. It is not particularly uncommon for hockey sharpeners to remove a mm or even two (about 0.039 -  0.078 inches), and occasionally more, of steel, to get rid of the nicks that develop in rough hockey play. That is about 13 - 26 times the 0.003 inches or so that should typically be removed from a regularly sharpened figure skate. So instead of your expensive blades lasting perhaps 30 or 40 sharpenings before they need to be replaced, they may last 3 or 4. If they know their business well, this won't happen: a GOOD hockey sharpener would look at the nicks to see how much has to be removed. But if not, it just might. Ask the pro shop boss about this issue.

Maybe there is a way for you to earn a little extra money for skating equipment or lessons - if no one else has stepped in to mount, maintain and sharpen figure skates well, maybe you could fill that market void. Offer to become a pro shop employee who will go out of your way to learn how. (If they don't know how to sharpen figure skates well, they might not know how to sharpen hockey goalie skates well, because they are sharpened quite differently too. Ask some goalies how well the pro shop does on those. So you could offer to learn that as well.) Or work outside the pro shop - but the pro shop probably has a concession on working and marketing at the rink.

That said, the idea that your skates have been  sharpened badly is purely speculative. You really need to work up the courage to talk to the other skaters at your rink, and ask them about your pro shop and your skates. Most skaters are wonderful, friendly people, and love to help.
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3.  Left shoulder!
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The Pro Shop / Re: New jacksons blade loose
« Last post by tstop4me on February 12, 2018, 02:09:49 PM »
Assuming the sharpening was done properly.  I've seen people sharpen with no blade jig.  If you're holding the boot and the blade's loose, it'll make one edge lower, or switch the edging, front-to-back.
I've never seen that.  Even with properly tightened screws, I don't see how anyone can get a decent sharpening by holding the boot and guiding the blade freehand against the wheel.  That's totally insane; they shouldn't be in business.
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The Pro Shop / Re: New jacksons blade loose
« Last post by tstop4me on February 12, 2018, 02:04:40 PM »
The original screws were temporary mountings from factory. The hockey shop did the first sharpening. At this time I  don't know any coaches/skaters.. as far as my experience...I am adult skater returning to the sport. I skated in my teens but was injured by another skater resulting in injury and never returned to the ice. I never thought I would be able to skate again but was pleasantly surprised when i did these 20 yrs later. Im Definitely a beginner but I do know that my initial issues were do to the blade issue. At this point it could be both blade issues and my lack of knowledge...but i feel pretty good about knowing what feels wrong to certain aspects. My initial issues were very clear to me that it was the blade.
Just to let you know how complicated this can get, here's a recent post from another skater with blade problems:

http://skatingforums.com/index.php?topic=7971.0

She first thought it was simply a matter of aligning the blades, but it turned out the blade was so poorly mounted it was bent, and the sharpening was messed up.  But both she and her coach first thought the blades were straight and the sharpening was OK.  You really need to know what to look for, and the proper tools as well.  If you can't do it yourself, then you'll have to travel to where there is a competent tech.  Note:  All it takes is one really bad sharpening to wreck a brand new set of blades for good.
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The Pro Shop / Re: New jacksons blade loose
« Last post by FigureSpins on February 12, 2018, 01:56:20 PM »
Assuming the sharpening was done properly.  I've seen people sharpen with no blade jig.  If you're holding the boot and the blade's loose, it'll make one edge lower, or switch the edging, front-to-back. 
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The Pro Shop / Re: New jacksons blade loose
« Last post by tstop4me on February 12, 2018, 01:52:50 PM »
Definitely contact Jackson and Kinzie's Closet to say the blade screws arrived loose/stripped, which is a manufacturing/distribution error.  If it led to the blade sharpening being done poorly, Jackson will blame the pro shop for not checking the screws first and the pro shop will blame Jackson for shipping a defective product. 
Loose mounting screws would not mess up the sharpening.  During sharpening, the blade is clamped onto a skate holder, and the tech moves the skate holder along a guide (bed, rail, or arm).
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