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Offline sampaguita

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Keeping the hip open in backward inside edges
« on: June 12, 2017, 05:34:58 AM »
I'm having problems with my the backward inside edge after the FO 3-turn. The check is good right after the turn, but the free leg eventually moves to the side, causing the curve to decrease in size. My coach wants me to fix this, but has not offered me a satisfactory way how.

I've tried practicing the same backward inside edge position off-ice, but I am unable to replicate this feeling on-ice. The traction off-ice makes all the difference.

I get the same on-ice problem when (1) I do a mohawk and (2) when I hold a backward inside edge after backward crossovers. However, I can keep it checked for a much longer time. That means there's a problem with the actual 3-turn, but also another problem with holding the back inside edge.

Any suggestions how to fix this off-ice/on-ice by the boards?

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Re: Keeping the hip open in backward inside edges
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2017, 10:00:08 AM »
I'm having problems with my the backward inside edge after the FO 3-turn. The check is good right after the turn, but the free leg eventually moves to the side, causing the curve to decrease in size. My coach wants me to fix this, but has not offered me a satisfactory way how. [...] I get the same on-ice problem when (1) I do a mohawk and (2) when I hold a backward inside edge after backward crossovers. However, I can keep it checked for a much longer time. That means there's a problem with the actual 3-turn, but also another problem with holding the back inside edge.


Not necessarily a problem with the turn at all. Have you considered your posture when you're doing these moves?

I have a tendency to let my core go and fall forward after the transition. I don't keep my body in the proper place, which opens the hip, which lets the free leg move out. As my coach explained, your body will go in the direction of the free leg. So if it starts drifting, that's the way you'll move. It all has to do with the transition from one to the other and proper distribution of weight over the skating leg. If you keep it in the center instead of over the skate, this is what happens.

So there are severals parts to the fix that she has me working on:
1) Don't do the 3-turn (or whatever you're working on) like you're going into a jump and keeping the free leg out (as if to pick). Keep it in touch position next to your skating foot. It's slightly in front when you're moving to the front and slightly behind when going backwards.
2) If you must keep your free leg out, remember to point it in the direction you want to go.
3) Look in the direction of travel. For example, in a left FO3, you'd look over your left arm (because it's in front) going into it and over your right arm on the back inside edge.
4) Don't just check with your arms; check with your shoulders. Don't let the arms turn into noodles or the shoulders fall in.
5) Remember your posture. Keep the core tight and stay over your skating foot. Heel, hip, and shoulders should be aligned.

I hope at least some of these tips will help. Good luck!

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Re: Keeping the hip open in backward inside edges
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2017, 12:55:32 PM »
2 questions: 
1.  What are your head, arms and shoulders doing? 
2.  Are you remembering to keep your free hip lifted?

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Re: Keeping the hip open in backward inside edges
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2017, 05:04:23 PM »
I agree with the above.  It could be your shoulder/arm position, where you are looking or turning.... make sure you're looking where you want to go, not where you are.  Press your arms down too, that will help keep your core turned on, assuming your arms are in the right position.
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Re: Keeping the hip open in backward inside edges
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2017, 07:57:26 AM »
Hard really to say without a video. I'll try your suggestions when I skate next week, and I hope I can do some video analysis as well. My body awareness is lacking!

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Re: Keeping the hip open in backward inside edges
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2017, 03:58:07 PM »
The drill from my coach that was most effective for me was, after the 3-turn, press my free foot in a T against the back of my skating foot.  That anchors the free leg, and it can't swing out of position during the back inside edge.  It's awkward at first to do it this way.  But once you have mastered it, you can relax the free leg and not have it swing out of control.

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Re: Keeping the hip open in backward inside edges
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2017, 04:10:10 PM »
I start private lessons on Monday and my primary focus right now is on back edges, primarily back consecutive edges for pre-bronze MITF,  so I will give feedback about what my coach recommends. I'll also be working on Waltz 8 with back edges out of the 3 turn obviously.
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Re: Keeping the hip open in backward inside edges
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2017, 05:33:04 AM »
The drill from my coach that was most effective for me was, after the 3-turn, press my free foot in a T against the back of my skating foot.  That anchors the free leg, and it can't swing out of position during the back inside edge.  It's awkward at first to do it this way.  But once you have mastered it, you can relax the free leg and not have it swing out of control.

I do it that way. I still get the same problem.

For now, since my coach just needs the 3-turn for the half-flip, I've fixed that by moving my free foot to beside my skating foot during the actual turn. I get a decent half-flip with enough control. However, keeping the back inside edge really perplexes me, but I have had no time to video it. Hopefully after a few lessons the rink will be less crowded.