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The Pro Shop / Re: New Jackson Premiere width sizing
« Last post by Query on January 05, 2018, 01:03:19 PM »
I hope you have called SP Teri, not just the seller and fitter! SP Teri may make good on the misfit custom boots.
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Off-Ice Training for Skaters / Re: How to get more than one rotation for off-ice jumps?
« Last post by Query on January 05, 2018, 01:00:11 PM »
Keeping a really tight core is crucial to rotation, whether you're spinning or rotating in the air.  Any jump of at least one revolution requires a conscious effort to establish and hold a spinning axis that goes from the right foot through the right hip and up through the right breast (which requires a little counter-rotation in the shoulders), assuming CCW rotation.

So, on an axel, you swing the RIGHT leg forward as you take off of the LEFT foot, swing the RIGHT leg back behind the LEFT leg while in the air, and the RIGHT leg then becomes the rotational axis, rather than the left leg?

And how much strength do you need to put into the leg swing and return? I.E., do you put more strength into controlling the core then swinging the leg?
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The Pro Shop / Re: Jackson Debut Boot
« Last post by Query on January 05, 2018, 12:36:06 PM »
So I was finally able to get my foot in properly. Apparently I was being much too gentle with them. Anyway, the fit is great except for the heel, which is being crushed right above the sole where the padding is peculiarly minimal. These boots are ridiculously stiff, even though they are rated as being only marginally more so than the Freestyles which I'm accustomed to. The odd thing is, for all the discomfort, I am able to skate 5-6 hours at a time without any lasting damage to my feet even though it feels like they're causing bruises. I'm slowly recovering my ability to bend knees, but most of the time I just feel/hear a hard *clink* whenever I take a step--I don't feel any connection with the ice anymore. Hard to believe the higher end boots are twice as stiff as this one...

If fit right, it should not bruise your foot, and shouldn't hurt.

May I suggest a few things?

1. Push really really hard in the heel. Not just down so your foot touches the bottom of the boot, but also back so your foot pushes back and touches the back of the boot. People commonly need to kick on the floor with the back of the sole of the boot - especially if they have certain foot shapes.

2. Ask the fitter to do a heat mold. This site:

  http://www.jacksonultima.com/static/images/debut_boot_flyer.pdf

says that the Debut boots are heat-moldable.

This video

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhZLOEw7o5Q

says Jackson heat molding material now includes something in the heel counter, which should help.

Some of us have heat molded our own boots, but the dealer has the real equipment, and most of them will mold for free if you bought it there.

3. If that isn't sufficient, and your fitter has no other ideas, try contacting Jackson (not just the fitter or seller) to see if they have any, or have a fit warranty.

4. If that doesn't help, try taking out the insoles.

5. If none of those help, we can look for other ideas, like punching (stretching) the boots at the desired location.

BTW, pretty much all figure boots get less stiff with time. Expect them to need a break in period if that bothers you.

Also - very high end boots are really, really, stiff. Many of us can't bend new ones perceptively with our hands. If your shop hasn't any to look at, look at their high end hockey boots. Hard to believe that people can bend either at all with their feet, but somehow, they do. Also, some of the difference between a higher end boot and what you have (and Debuts ARE rated for competitive use), might possibly be how long the stiffness lasts before it begins to break down, rather than initial stiffness. (I'm basing that on a quote from a book on boat-building, not skates, so it might not apply.)

Others may disagree, but, AFAICT, the only figure boots that really need to bend perceptibly are ice dance boots - and only if you deliberately pronate and supinate to deepen edges. Especially if the boots have some padding.
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The Pro Shop / Re: Jackson Debut Boot
« Last post by eonice on January 05, 2018, 10:52:19 AM »
Just a quick update...

So I was finally able to get my foot in properly. Apparently I was being much too gentle with them. Anyway, the fit is great except for the heel, which is being crushed right above the sole where the padding is peculiarly minimal. These boots are ridiculously stiff, even though they are rated as being only marginally more so than the Freestyles which I'm accustomed to. The odd thing is, for all the discomfort, I am able to skate 5-6 hours at a time without any lasting damage to my feet even though it feels like they're causing bruises. I'm slowly recovering my ability to bend knees, but most of the time I just feel/hear a hard *clink* whenever I take a step--I don't feel any connection with the ice anymore. Hard to believe the higher end boots are twice as stiff as this one...
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The Pro Shop / New Jackson Premiere width sizing
« Last post by icepixie on January 04, 2018, 09:41:29 PM »
Does anyone have experience with the new "A/B" or C/D" widths on Jackson Premieres, especially as compared to the old A, B, C, D widths they used to have for that model?  Are the options pretty much just A-and-a-half and C-and-a-half?  (If I go with Premieres next, it may be immaterial for me because I'd likely do a split width, which hopefully they could still do on the old width sizing...I had 5B's that were okay, but I really needed one width bigger at the ball and one smaller at the heel.  Perhaps I would do an "A/B" heel and a "C/D" ball...)

On a somewhat related note, I've gotten the impression that GAM skates are pretty much Jacksons for people with higher insteps.  Does anyone that has experience with both brands think that's accurate?  If so, I'd switch in a hot second.  I assume the Podium is the equivalent to the Premiere?  (Although it looks like it doesn't have the lower-cut back that Premieres do...?)  Someone at my rink used to wear GAMs, and I think she might be close enough in size to me that trying hers on would give me some information, but if not I'll have to rely on gleanings from the interwebs, as a trip to a pro shop that sells them is not in the cards at the moment.

(For those of you following my boot saga, yes, this means I'm giving up on my SP Teri customs.  It's been three months since I got the redone boots back, and I still can't skate for more than 10-15 minutes without excruciating pain or complete numbness.  My coach/sales rep and I have stretched and punched them six ways from Sunday, I've heat molded them at least 15 times, I've skated with and without arch supports, ankle sleeves, insoles, and assorted lacing tricks, and I cannot make them work.  Whenever I get in my car to go to the rink, I've started thinking, "Wow, I really don't want to skate and I wish I weren't doing this," so I'm done with these boots if they're going to make me feel like that.  At least with all the missed ice time while I was waiting for them to be re-done, and missed lessons because I sure wasn't learning anything when I couldn't stay in my skates for more than 10 minutes, I've saved more than enough for a pair of stock boots.)
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Sitting on the Boards Rink Side / Re: 2017 Skating Resolutions
« Last post by eonice on January 04, 2018, 08:27:49 PM »
  • MITF through pre-juv
    Not yet. Pre-prelim/prelim done, but there weren't enough spots in December so I was forced to wait until the end of January.
  • Freeskate pre-prelim
    No, and shelving freeskate for the foreseeable future.
  • hit 4 revs on twizzles in both directions
    No...max 2 in each direction, forward inside/outside only. Also, the technique I was using originally was just wrong, so I'm having to relearn.
  • stable and consistent backspin
    No...still struggling with staying off the heel but can squeeze out 3 revs when not being an idiot.
  • start and keep an off-ice conditioning routine
    Start, yes. Keep, no.
  • delusions of grandeur: find a partner and start up ice dance again
    YES! This I never expected but somehow lucked out.
  • optional: switch to a less crappy club
    Out of necessity because my club simply didn't offer test sessions.

Actually, I worked my way up to learning Intermediate MITF, but virtually nothing off my list. And yet, I don't feel too disappointed, only curious to see what 2018 holds in store. Now that I have new boots and found out that my blades have been sharpened crookedly for the last two years, there's going to be a bit of an adjustment period.
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Keeping a really tight core is crucial to rotation, whether you're spinning or rotating in the air.  Any jump of at least one revolution requires a conscious effort to establish and hold a spinning axis that goes from the right foot through the right hip and up through the right breast (which requires a little counter-rotation in the shoulders), assuming CCW rotation.
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The Pro Shop / Avanta update
« Last post by lutefisk on January 03, 2018, 08:10:08 PM »
Just to add a little something to last week's discussion of this boot maker--As seen on Facebook:

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Off-Ice Training for Skaters / Re: How to get more than one rotation for off-ice jumps?
« Last post by Query on January 03, 2018, 04:47:00 PM »
Slightly off topic, but do you folks feel that tightening your core, to eliminate excess shaking and other internal motions, is very important to good rotational jumps in general? Does using strength to stabilize the core matter more than using strength to jump high and to swing the leg around with more power?
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The Pro Shop / Re: Skate Problems
« Last post by Query on January 03, 2018, 04:37:12 PM »
when tracing your foot by yourself, which is how most of us would do it, you're bending over and holding your leg in a different way than normal, thus putting pressure on your foot causing it to change shape a smidge. 

That makes sense. Especially if you try to do it standing on one foot. Mike generally does tracings seated.

But - couldn't you put your feet inside the tracings after you make them, and see how to adjust them?

Is the ruler on this page "the Reidell stick"?

The diagrams on that page and this one seem wrong, because they are only scaling the forward part of the shape of the foot... Also, it says it is for Speed skates; I'd like to see something similar for figure skates.

(One of the boot companies [maybe it was Riedell?] used to sell something like those diagrams you could stand on at a rink to estimate your foot size.

>There's also the question of whether or not to hold the pencil perfectly vertically around the foot, or to angle in slightly to compensate for the diameter of the pencil. 

Also, whether the pencil should be at the base of the foot, or slightly above that at the widest extent... I think the latter makes sense, but might not be obvious to everyone.

>You go to Mike, for your skates, right? You've seen the Riedell measuring stick for sure then. Probably even had it used on you!

I wish. I bought the Klingbeils I am back to using (because I haven't fixed the Grafs I got free yet) about 13 years ago, from someone whose major accomplishment was creating a lot of business for a local podiatrist. The dubious fitter did foam impressions of my feet, which should have been better than tracings, but managed to mess even that up completely, creating years of pain.

But I am very much a fan of how Mike works. He said I should have gone to the factory for Klingbeils.

I watched Mike work 1 day/week for a few months, though I paid more attention to sharpening than fitting. He often used a Brannock Device - I think he may have had different ones for different boot brands.

For custom boots, he traced feet, while the person was sitting down, then added a bunch of extra measurements that he marked on the tracings.

If you sit down while you take the measurement, maybe bending over changes foot shape less than if you stand?
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