Stuff You don't see anymore

[AgnesNitt]

Rules changes over the last couple of decades has meant that some non-listed elements have simply just disappeared from programs. I thought we should have a place where we can show videos of these.

I, for one, haven't seen piston rolls in years. Here they are, starting at 1:40.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9vOwgre7CA

[icedancer]

There are so many things!!

Walleys
Spread Eagles? Can't remember many used as highlights these days but maybe the likes of Patrick Chan and Jeff Buttle

Russian Split Jumps?

[karne]

Spread Eagles? Can't remember many used as highlights these days but maybe the likes of Patrick Chan and Jeff Buttle

Joshua Farris 2012 Lake Placid JGP Long Program - 2:57 (this would look better if ISU's vids were sound-sync'd)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQfOQo7qlBA


Spreadeagles actually seem to be coming back into vogue.

Russian Split Jumps?

Jason Brown 2012 Glacier Falls Long Program - 3:39 (the jump doesn't appear in the Junior version of this program so you'll have to wait for Nationals to see it again)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy5VUPQ3Nvs

[jjane45]

I think there are more spread eagles around than hydroblades?

[Isk8NYC]

I think there are more spread eagles around than hydroblades?

Correct - hydroblades have always been more of a carnival/show move than a competition move.  (RIP, Frick and Frack, Kings of the Cantilever)  Before everyone jumps to search YouTube to prove I'm wrong, note that I said hydroblades were MORE RARE in competition routines.  Yes, some competitors included them in their routines.

Shae-lynn Bourne performed my favorite show routine filled with hydroblades:



(I was lucky enough to see this in person at Fashion on Ice.  The promotors gave tickets to one of our board members to distribute and she nicely shared the wealth.)
For the record, I think that a spreadeagle is the sexiest thing a guy can do on the ice.  I'll take Boitano's spreadeagles over Plushy touching himself any day.

[jjane45]

OMG thank you for sharing the Shae Lynn Bourne video... I am so tempted to try some of the gliding maneuvers, but they are bound to hurt something lol!!!

And I wonder why ladies almost always prefer ina bauers to spread eagles?

[Janie]

Oh brilliant thread! There have been quite a few moves that I've heard of but I never see anywhere, and I've never figured out what they were. Wish I remembered what their names are though...

And I wonder why ladies almost always prefer ina bauers to spread eagles?

I prefer Ina Bauers too. I feel it's more graceful, maybe because there's always a layback with it.

[aussieskater]

Wow thanks for posting - great video links!

With the introduction of the Choreo Sequence this year, I expect we'll see more spreadeagles, bauers, hydroblades etc.  Excellent news - I love watching those done well, and thought it was a real shame they weren't being done any more (they took too much time in a COP program for effectively no points, thanks to corridor marking).

[sk8lady]

Shae-lynn Bourne performed my favorite show routine filled with hydroblades:

I am not much of an OMG gal, but...OMG!! The hydroblade on one knee! The spins! The cantilever! The shoot the duck that ends up laying on the ice and then GETS BACK UP AGAIN!!

I would love to try some of those but the rink would have to install a pulley system to get me back up off the ice!!
Thanks for posting.

[Janie]

The cantilever!

What's that? Can you say what time she does this?

[Isk8NYC]

What's that? Can you say what time she does this?

Frick and Frack / Cantilever Kings:

[Janie]

Oh wow, that looks insanely difficult. Thanks for sharing!!

[PinkLaces]

Thanks for posting the videos.  Our rink is hydroblade happy right now.  At least 7 kids have them in their competition programs right now - ISI 5-6 and Pre-Pre, Preliminary levels.  My coach even has me working on some like forward one right in the beginning of the Shae-lynn's program and the backward one at 2:51.  The ones the kids do are more parallel to the ice.

[Skittl1321]

Hydroblades rising up into jumps are very popular at my rink right now.

I miss FAST footwork. 

[aussieskater]

Frick and Frack / Cantilever Kings:

Ooouuuch!!  My knees hurt just looking at that.  How is it done without tearing something, or do you need to have knees of a certain structure (like proper outside spreadeagles need really good turnout)?

[techskater]

Walleys, reverse Walleys, inside edge landing Walleys are all popular at my rink right now as the steps into jumps in SP.

[VAsk8r]

Hydroblades are the cool new thing at my rink, too. We got a new skater last year who did great hydroblading, and she's taught a few others.

[Sk8tmum]

Ina Bauer's, walleys, and cantilevers are all being taught and used extensively.  Split jumps and stag jumps are too.  The need for variants in the step sequences, difficult entries, and points for skating skills means that the grace moves and transitions are all necessary.

[alejeather]

I was watching a video of Ken Shelley and Jojo Starbuck the other day and caught a glimpse of the elusive mazurka.



The mazurka occurs around 1:20.

[isakswings]

There are so many things!!

Walleys
Spread Eagles? Can't remember many used as highlights these days but maybe the likes of Patrick Chan and Jeff Buttle

Russian Split Jumps?

My daughter was just practicing spread eagles yesterday! I've seen them in a few programs too. Maybe it is regional?

[Janie]

Walleys, reverse Walleys, inside edge landing Walleys are all popular at my rink right now as the steps into jumps in SP.

Why are walleys not an official jump? Because it's too hard to do multi-revolutions?

[taka]

There are so many things!!

Walleys
Spread Eagles? Can't remember many used as highlights these days but maybe the likes of Patrick Chan and Jeff Buttle

Russian Split Jumps?

Spreadeagles are alive and well here too! I sometimes feel like I'm being chased round the rink by folks doing them! We have a decent portion of people doing Besti squats and Ina Bauers too. I've even seen a cantilever too! (Not as good as Frick and Frack though!)

Split jumps aren't common to see in programs around the rink but lots of people at least occasionally try them! I've only ever seen a Walley in person at the European Championships.

I'd like to add headless spins. I've not seen a single one since I started skating again. I used to have one at the end of one of my programs when I was a kid - scarily fast, ending with my arms over my head and legs crossed... aaaaand final pose! (Then try desperately not to stagger while presenting to the judges/exiting the ice!)

[FigureSpins]

I teach split and stag jumps early, when the skater's almost landing their singles.  It builds strength/control, makes the student practice the flip jump entry and helps with the turn and in-air movement.  Also helps them learn how to save a bad jump if they land forward.  They aren't *that* difficult, although a good split jump needs height, off-ice split capability and courage. 

[Kitten23]

One foot axels.  Delayed axels.  Illusions, done well.  Loops in footwork, done well. 

[Sk8tmum]

Loops are definitely very present in step sequences; some are done well, some aren't - but, the judges aren't rewarding those not done well.   A lot of work being done on them; then again, Canadian Junior Silver Skills requires skaters to do 6 out of 8 loops for a pass.

Delayed axel ... very cool. My kid does one in show programs and also has had it in comp program - got some +GOE for it.

Headless spin ... they're working on it right now, actually!  With the changes to spin rules, finding new variations is a game. Watching Lambiel spin videos can be a productive source of interesting spin options.