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The Pro Shop / Re: Jackson Debut Boot
« Last post by Sibelius on Today at 10:37:35 AM »
I looked at the blade size chart yesterday and for the Debut Fusion the recommended blade size is 1/4" smaller than for the other boots.  My skater would be in a 3 with an 8 1/4" blade in the Debut, but in the Elle and Freestyle it's 8 1/2 for the same size.

https://skaterslanding.com/pages/jackson-blade-size-chart
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Under 6.0 judging or test judging, that is true.  Under IJS, it would have been called as a sit spin.

I only compete IJS and this was called as combination spin 2 position last season.
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The Pro Shop / Foot pain due to boot
« Last post by laraxsha on Today at 03:49:02 AM »
Hi, so I've been skating for about half a year now and I'm pretty much in freestyle 1 for isi Asia and skate atleast 3 times a week. I got the Risport antares about a month after I started and they've been pretty good, however I've realised that I get quite strong pain on the both sides of my feet.
At first I thought it would get better after a while and I just needed to break them in but it's been about 4+ months now. I can't tie them any looser because then I don't have enough stability in my boot and can't skate properly.
I got them recommended and fitted in a skate shop but it might not've been the best fitting idk. I don't have very wide feet nor the slimmest theyre pretty normal I think.

I'm not sure what to do now, do I need to change my boot or can I just keep using them? Any other reason this might be happening or any advice??

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The Pro Shop / Re: Jackson Debut Boot
« Last post by eonice on December 14, 2017, 11:27:06 PM »
Well, that was interesting. I ordered a pair online to replace my rotting Freestyles. I knew my size but decided not to take any chances and used the Jackson-specific charts which confirmed that my current size is correct. FAIL. So fail that my toes are being crushed in these things. At first I thought it was a difference in the padding...that maybe I need to heat mold them and break them in. But then I whipped out a tape measure and my mind was blown: the Debut sole is 1/4" shorter than the Freestyle at the same stamped boot size. Seriously? What the hell is this? I'll be making some calls tomorrow...
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Sitting on the Boards Rink Side / Re: What is the easiest combination spin?
« Last post by Doubletoe on December 14, 2017, 08:16:18 PM »
Last season I did sit to upright as a 2position basic spin. I did an open upright which I then pulled in for the windup. I was a little sceptical, but having two distinct (basic) positions in the upright meant that it wasn't seen as a wind up.

Under 6.0 judging or test judging, that is true.  Under IJS, it would have been called as a sit spin.
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The Pro Shop / Re: Coronation ace vs Gold star blades
« Last post by lyssykw on December 14, 2017, 06:12:05 AM »
I should also say that I am from Australia, so the pricing out here is probably different to the US.

Ultima freestyles, supremes and elites are around AU$400
Gold star, gold seal, phantom etc. around AU$700
and matrix blades are about AU$600

I think most stock would have to be ordered in, particularly Ultimas/Matrix, as they are not that popular out here.
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The Pro Shop / Re: CW crossovers and foot sliding
« Last post by Leif on December 14, 2017, 02:37:35 AM »
The Marsblades get rave reviews from some well known coaches, but the NHL might ban them as they are so different from the standard holder and blade. They are more than just a custom profile.

T-blades are not really suitable for hockey, the blades do get damaged, and the edges wear quickly, so changing the entire runner often is not good. I don't know why freestylers wear them. It's not uncommon for a group to form in the middle of the rink, with a couple of them performing. It's very impressive what they can do, as impressive as good figure skating.

I have thought about buying multiple runners and having them sharpened in one go. However someone told me the Bauer holder has a spring which can get lost if you are not careful, so it's best to have the skate tech change the runner, as they get the blame if something goes wrong, and they will fix it.
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The Pro Shop / Re: CW crossovers and foot sliding
« Last post by Query on December 13, 2017, 04:35:42 PM »
Apparently, many makers and developers of new hockey and hockey training technologies give free samples to NHL teams and players. The NHL teams and players try them out, and reject most of them, but that doesn't stop the makers from advertising that they have been used by NHL teams and players. You can find many examples.

One way to evaluate those technologies is to see how many actual NHL teams and players are CURRENTLY using them during games and training.

I think you were thinking of T blades. I've seen quite a few on local rinks, they were all freestylers though. You swap the blades out rather than get them resharpened. They are noisy, very noisy!

I would think the noise could be overcome by a re-design.

But https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnFkMz5qHUQ suggests that not many NHL players use them, and that they have some advantages. OTOH, the poster thinks they also have some disadvantages. If they do in fact cost more than sharpening normal hockey blades, and have so little metal that nicks effectively destroy them, I would assume those are pretty big problems, for most players.

Especially since they can get some of the same advantages by buying multiple interchangeable blades, and bringing them all to the skate tech for sharpening at once. Have you thought about doing that yourself?

Is there something about Freestyle which makes T-blades especially desirable?

It's odd, but I haven't seen any (hockey) Freestyle competitions around my current rink.

You might want to Google Marsbade, a new kind of ice hockey blade and holder which allows the blade to rock. This allows the blade to maintain contact with the ice surface for longer during a skaters stride. I think the principle is not unlike some speed skates, where the blade is attached to the holder at one end only.

Fascinating! But as with T-blades, unless Marsblade holders, which are still under development, find their way onto real NHL players most of the time, I'm going to assume there are downsides - e.g., a loss of control.

I'm also not clear why you can't achieve the same thing with an appropriate rocker profile, with less weight and fewer things to go wrong. I.E., as the embedded rocking mechanism rocks, that effectively just creates a modified rocker profile, but without precise control, doesn't it? Or am I missing something?

One would also hope they aren't nearly as dangerous as speed skating click blades, which are banned from short-track racing (where racers interact a lot) for precisely that reason, though they are now nearly universal among seriously competitive long-track speed skaters. But it looks like there is a scissors-like action. Maybe hockey leagues will outlaw them?

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The Pro Shop / Re: CW crossovers and foot sliding
« Last post by Leif on December 13, 2017, 08:27:36 AM »
I think you were thinking of T blades. I've seen quite a few on local rinks, they were all freestylers though. You swap the blades out rather than get them resharpened. They are noisy, very noisy!

You might want to Google Marsbade, a new kind of ice hockey blade and holder which allows the blade to rock. This allows the blade to maintain contact with the ice surface for longer during a skaters stride. I think the principle is not unlike some speed skates, where the blade is attached to the holder at one end only.
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The Pro Shop / Re: Coronation ace vs Gold star blades
« Last post by Query on December 12, 2017, 04:42:40 PM »
BTW, I'm not as high level a skater as you either. I've used Coronation ace, and a few other blades, but not Gold Star, Gold Seal, or Pattern 99.

lyssykw, one way or another, you have to gamble. If your coach has frequently recommended Ultima Freestyles, I personally would assume that your coach has gotten positive feedback on that recommendation, and that it has frequently led to the specific positive results the coach seeks for you. Also that it works fairly well with the skating techniques your coach advocates. That doesn't necessarily mean they are 100% certain the best possible choice for you, because your anatomy is not your coach's anatomy, but, unless you have reason to assume otherwise, I would assume it a more likely good bet than staying with what you've got, though an expensive bet.  You might well have a significant transition period, because of the change in rocker radii - but it is a change your coach is advocating for you.

(OTOH, I believe Doubletoe is also an experienced coach, whose recommendations have presumably also worked well with her students.)

Speaking of expensive, Ultima Freestyle blades are also available in the premium cost Matrix line.

  http://www.jacksonultima.com/en/Index.aspx?product=Ek78qFaLrZECV75YEHHHgA1A2B3C4D5E1A2B3C4D5E

which are AUS 8 stainless steel. Some of us have found that stainless steel lasts longer and retains edges longer, has fewer rust issues, and feel that it is well worth the extra cost. The Matrix line is also somewhat lighter than the other Ultima lines. But check first with your skate tech to find out if he/she can sharpen Matrix blades, because some sharpening equipment doesn't fit them - he/she needs a special gig. (Likewise for Paramount.)

Many skate techs say that Ultima (and Paramount) blades have fewer problems with blade warp and unintended variations in initial blade shape than MK/Wilson blades like Gold Seals and Gold Stars. All the skate techs I have asked have said Ultima reasonably high end blades are very well made (they also sell very cheap beginner and rental blades, which I won't similarly praise), so you don't need to worry about that, if that has been your main issue.

Of course, in the end, it is your risk and your decision.

"The king of spin" sounds like marketing hype. I assume it is meant to imply that Gold Seal typically spins better than some of the other Wilson blades, and possibly MK blades (same company and factory now, but different models and marketing), but I wonder how well that extends to other brands.

High end Olympic caliber skaters most often use Wilson or MK blades, but it is also true that MK/Wilson has had a long term policy of giving away blades to elite level skaters and coaches, and have been around a long time, so it is hard to know how much that means. Last I knew, Ultimas and Riedells were gaining in popularity among the general figure skating population over MK and Wilson, including in the U.S.
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