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Title: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: Sk8Dreams on February 07, 2013, 11:54:31 AM
I finally could not take it anymore.  Having to be on the ice working for 3-5 hours at a stretch has done me in.  Here is a list of the problems I've had with these boots:

Not enough padding in the ankles, forcing me to wear gel sleeves
Bumpy and itchy rash from the gel sleeves, requiring talc, which didn't help 100%
Intense metatarsal pain because insole has NO padding
Addition of Klingbeil orthotics to counter metatarsal pain
Development of huge bump on side of big toe (like a bunion, but really just a bump) from pressure due to less room in toe box
Coldest boot ever, because sole is a thin layer of plastic

So, I went to a local pro shop to get the toe box enlarged; something that the Edea rep said was easy to do.  Not so.
While there, I met a friend who had come in with another adult skater who had 17 year old, unworn, Riedells that were hurting her.  I encouraged her to get new skates, pointing her to Jackson, of which this store had a great selection.  She was trying on the Elle, so I looked at it, liked it, and bought it!  I'm trying them out today.
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: Isk8NYC on February 07, 2013, 12:04:50 PM
I know the feeling.  You're trying out her skates or you're getting your own pair?

Tried Jackson Competitors and I don't like them.  Went back to the ankle-hurting Klingbeils for now while I dither about what to try next.
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: hopskipjump on February 07, 2013, 12:35:44 PM
I was under the impression that changing the shape of the edea's had to be done using specialty equipment and very few proshops have it.

We have one dealer locally and even he seemed hesitant to sell them suggesting the riedell or jackson instead.
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: SynchKat on February 07, 2013, 12:42:25 PM
Thanks for posting this.  I suggested someone look at Edea's because I had only heard good things.

I have Jackson Competitor and never again.  I think I was "under booted" for one thing but I just didn't really like them at all.
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: Query on February 07, 2013, 03:23:36 PM
I think that up to a point, such changes are fairly easy for the main U.S. distributer to make, using a heat gun, but last I checked, the Edea web site provided no information on how to heat mold Edea boots. The way you heat mold other brands of figure skating and hockey boots would probably destroy Edea boots. So the type of change you are talking about is very scary for other pro shops to make: they might easily find themselves liable to replace a pair of expensive figure skating boots that they destroyed, and end up with a very unhappy customer to boot ( :) ).

That main U.S. distributer said he couldn't widen the toe box of Edea skates enough for my feet - which have toes much wider than heels.

Maybe rather than throwing away those expensive boots, you could find warmer insoles, then get the distributer to refit the boots the next time you see him (he travels to a lot of competitions to do fittings). (Note also that Edea's website advises you to change insoles often.)
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: Willowway on February 07, 2013, 05:00:18 PM
Isn't it amazing that what might work so well for one person is just a nightmare for another person!  I know skaters from lower level to an OGM who swear by Edeas and Sk8Dreams was in boot Hades. Each experience is perfectly valid and goes for every model of every boot ever made - someone loves it, someone is tortured by it.
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: ChristyRN on February 07, 2013, 05:22:32 PM
Isn't it amazing that what might work so well for one person it just a nightmare for another person!  I know skaters from lower level to an OGM who swear by Edeas and Sk8Dreams was in boot Hades. Each experience is perfectly valid and goes for every model of every boot ever made - someone loves it, someone is tortured by it.

Yeah.  Two Competitor haters and I'm on my second pair. I love them!

It's like sneakers.  Before my second pregnancy, Nikes fit well.  After, not at all--I had to switch to New Balance.
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: Hanca on February 07, 2013, 06:05:43 PM
I used to have Edea Overture as my first pair of boots. I had them for a year and that time I had no experience with skating boots. I thought that they are supposed to hurt because so many people are complaining on forum about their boots. So I lasted for over a year and grew huge bunions! I will never touch Edea again.  My foot is very narrow at the heel and quite wide in the toe area, and Edea just did not fit right. I have certain doubts about Edea's 'one width fits all' strategy.
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: sampaguita on February 07, 2013, 06:31:49 PM
Sk8Dreams, what model of Edea boots did you have?

Hanca: I have a very narrow heel and am quite wide in the toe area too. I did fit an Edea once. What I found though was that it hurt *near the heel*, not near the toe. I thought maybe it was because it was one of the lower models (the Overture too), but I'm wondering if the Ice Fly has a different fit. In my rink lots of girls wear Ice Flys.
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: Sk8Dreams on February 08, 2013, 12:25:40 PM
I have the Chorus.  They were initially molded by the only person in my area that the US rep said was qualified.  The same guy also mounted the blades and sharpened them - and did a horrible job.  The shop I went to on Wed now carries Edeas and knows how to deal with them.

I bought my own Jackson Elle's.  I wore them for 1.5 hours yesterday!  YES, that long, with no pain!  Not only did I have no pain, but the blades were aligned perfectly for my stance, something I've never experienced before.  That was just dumb luck, but I deserved it!  Also, I felt like I was flying almost immediately.  I did one lap of F swizzles, then moved on to slaloms with deep edges.  After that, everything felt pretty natural.  I've really never had such an easy transition before.  Even stopping was achieved with a minimum of scraping.  The only issue is that the heels are a little loose.  I'm going to see what I can do about that myself.  I may be able to wear thin socks with these boots, and the grip they provide may do the trick.  Also, I realized that I've always had a leather insole, and that's what gave me a slippy feeling, prompting me to go barefoot.  No leather insole in the Elle's.

Bottom line - I'm in love with these skates!
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: icedancer on February 08, 2013, 12:28:30 PM
Well, that is just fabulous!!

And the length of the new blades didn't bother you at all after those dance blades you had on the Edeas?
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: aussieskater on February 08, 2013, 05:51:57 PM
The only issue is that the heels are a little loose.
The Elles are heat moldable, so maybe you could have them remolded and closed in a bit.  Glad you're happy with your new boots!
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: Sk8Dreams on February 08, 2013, 08:19:21 PM
And the length of the new blades didn't bother you at all after those dance blades you had on the Edeas?

I was surprised that it didn't bother me at all.  I was pretty careful, and didn't try crossovers for a while, knowing how easy it would be to "click".  I think I'm going to try to stay careful for a while, just to be sure I've accommodated the new length.

The Elles are heat moldable, so maybe you could have them remolded and closed in a bit. 

Yes, I had them molded when I got them, but I think pinching in the heels may not be an option.  I'll try socks first, then the heel liners made for shoes.  I'm not terribly concerned about it.  After 2 years of metatarsal pain, this doesn't seem like a big deal.
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: hopskipjump on February 08, 2013, 09:08:18 PM
Our skate pro will put an insert in the heel to lock it in place.  He doesn't charge for it.  The issue with it moving is not that it hurts or bothers dd - it;s that if she doesn't have it fixed, by the second day, second hour of skating her heel gets a blister.  And it will just get worse as you wear and compress the skate.
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: CaraSkates on February 08, 2013, 09:17:11 PM
Our skate pro will put an insert in the heel to lock it in place.  He doesn't charge for it.  The issue with it moving is not that it hurts or bothers dd - it;s that if she doesn't have it fixed, by the second day, second hour of skating her heel gets a blister.  And it will just get worse as you wear and compress the skate.

My skate guy has done this for me on three pairs of boots now - I already wear a split width and after I wear them for about 6 months, the heel loosens up. He glues some extra padding in the heel and charges about $20. Totally worth it since the boot fits fine otherwise.
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: sarahspins on February 08, 2013, 10:09:40 PM
I had them molded when I got them, but I think pinching in the heels may not be an option.

Jackson puts heat molding material in the heel counter of their skates, so you can in fact snug them up  if you need to.
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: isakswings on February 09, 2013, 09:45:18 AM
I finally could not take it anymore.  Having to be on the ice working for 3-5 hours at a stretch has done me in.  Here is a list of the problems I've had with these boots:

Not enough padding in the ankles, forcing me to wear gel sleeves
Bumpy and itchy rash from the gel sleeves, requiring talc, which didn't help 100%
Intense metatarsal pain because insole has NO padding
Addition of Klingbeil orthotics to counter metatarsal pain
Development of huge bump on side of big toe (like a bunion, but really just a bump) from pressure due to less room in toe box
Coldest boot ever, because sole is a thin layer of plastic

So, I went to a local pro shop to get the toe box enlarged; something that the Edea rep said was easy to do.  Not so.
While there, I met a friend who had come in with another adult skater who had 17 year old, unworn, Riedells that were hurting her.  I encouraged her to get new skates, pointing her to Jackson, of which this store had a great selection.  She was trying on the Elle, so I looked at it, liked it, and bought it!  I'm trying them out today.

My daughter isn't loving her Jackson Premiere boots. She hurts in them. She has always done well in Jackson skates but not any more. I am considering a switch and she has only been in these boots since the end of September! I cringe because I these are new! I could resell them...but not sure what I would get for them. I may see if they fit my feet and buy her a new set. It is frustrating. I am bummed because she has loved Jackson boots and they have fit her well...until now. I hope you love your Elle boots!
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: Sk8Dreams on February 09, 2013, 11:10:13 AM
Jackson puts heat molding material in the heel counter of their skates, so you can in fact snug them up  if you need to.

Do you know exactly how that works?  I ask because when they were molded, I basically just wore them for 10 to 15 minutes after the heating.  I think to make the heels sung, someone would have to apply pressure to the outsides of the boots for that length of time.  I don't even know if the outer layer of leather is supple enough for that to make a difference.
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: FigureSpins on February 09, 2013, 11:22:23 AM
I've read that some fitters use a heat gun to spot-mold instead of baking the entire skate.  After heating, the fitter places a clamp across the heel on the outside to pinch the sides together.  There was a rag between the clamp and the boot, to prevent scratches and help apply the pressure.  The skater doesn't put the skate on until it's cooled.

I thought there was a video on YouTube, but I don't see it now.
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: aussieskater on February 10, 2013, 04:55:13 PM
That method makes sense, FigureSpins - I wish I could see a video of it!  The standard Jackson heat molding video deals with snugging up heels:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XhZLOEw7o5Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XhZLOEw7o5Q), but not to the degree your method would.
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: Sk8Dreams on February 10, 2013, 05:15:36 PM
That method makes sense, FigureSpins - I wish I could see a video of it!  The standard Jackson heat molding video deals with snugging up heels:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XhZLOEw7o5Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XhZLOEw7o5Q), but not to the degree your method would.

Thank you!  I watched the video, and sent the link to the shop where I got my skates, with a note that this is what I want.  The proprietor did not do this entire process, hence I do have some issues.  I'm going Tuesday.  Meanwhile, I worked today from 10 to 2:30 with no metatarsal pain, and only sitting with laces loose for 10 mintues.  I do still have a few pressure points, plus the loose heels, and I hope the remolding will take care of that.
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: Query on February 11, 2013, 03:59:01 PM
There is potentially a big difference between a skate that is designed to be heat molded, and one, like Edea, that is not, but which an expert artisan might be able to reshape by working very carefully.

Unless I had extensive experience reshaping similar composite materials under heat, I sure wouldn't have the confidence to do it myself. I picture melting the entire boot into a puddle of the plastic resin and pliable reinforced fiber cloth that it was made from, or burning something.
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: Willowway on February 11, 2013, 04:21:08 PM
Quote
and one, like Edea, that is not

I thought one of the key features of the Edea was the heat molding so I looked it up on their website. They are designed for heat molding.

"Technical features
 Technical innovations applied on Edea boots offer significant advantages: ultra-light (the lightest boots in the world), mouldable (heat allow them to adapt and customize their shape)..."

Perhaps you are referencing molding more traditional materials as opposed to newer materials. Doesn't mean they are less heat-moldable just different (perhaps) in terms of technique.
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: twokidsskatemom on February 11, 2013, 05:26:31 PM
I thought one of the key features of the Edea was the heat molding so I looked it up on their website. They are designed for heat molding.

"Technical features
 Technical innovations applied on Edea boots offer significant advantages: ultra-light (the lightest boots in the world), mouldable (heat allow them to adapt and customize their shape)..."

Perhaps you are referencing molding more traditional materials as opposed to newer materials. Doesn't mean they are less heat-moldable just different (perhaps) in terms of technique.
they are heat moldable.. just not to be put in an oven. you can use a heat gun, a blow dryer or even a hot baked potatoe placed inside.
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: Query on February 12, 2013, 10:44:32 PM
"Technical innovations applied on Edea boots offer significant advantages: ultra-light (the lightest boots in the world), mouldable (heat allow them to adapt and customize their shape)..."

Oh! You are right.

But Edea uses a different definition of "heat mold" than most people. They are only talking about the presence of memory foam (maybe like is used in a memory foam mattress or pillow) that is only molded by body heat.

The quote is here (http://www.edeaskates.com/en/edea-pattini-a-rotelle/supporto/taglia-corretta/custom-fit.html), specifically

"DO NOT HEAT EDEA BOOTS: it can seriously damage the boot... Edea paddings are made of Memory foam, and simply require body temperature to adapt their shape."

Klingbeil tried heat moldable padding on my skates, when they rebuilt them 5 or 6 years ago. It didn't help much, and soon became permanently stiff and crumbly in the wrong shape. I wonder if Edea's memory foam is better than what Klingbeil tried at that time.

How do people feel about Edea's memory foam??

Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: isakswings on February 13, 2013, 04:20:08 PM
Oh! You are right.

But Edea uses a different definition of "heat mold" than most people. They are only talking about the presence of memory foam (maybe like is used in a memory foam mattress or pillow) that is only molded by body heat.

The quote is here (http://www.edeaskates.com/en/edea-pattini-a-rotelle/supporto/taglia-corretta/custom-fit.html), specifically

"DO NOT HEAT EDEA BOOTS: it can seriously damage the boot... Edea paddings are made of Memory foam, and simply require body temperature to adapt their shape."

Klingbeil tried heat moldable padding on my skates, when they rebuilt them 5 or 6 years ago. It didn't help much, and soon became permanently stiff and crumbly in the wrong shape. I wonder if Edea's memory foam is better than what Klingbeil tried at that time.

How do people feel about Edea's memory foam??

Interesting. I was talking to a coach/ fitter at a recent comp and he said one of the things he likes about Edea boots is how customizable they are and I thought he said something about heat molding...the type of molding that twokidsskatemom was referring to. That said, they are not for everyone. We are anxious to have dd try them out... ;)
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: severina on February 14, 2013, 03:55:20 PM
Interesting. I was talking to a coach/ fitter at a recent comp and he said one of the things he likes about Edea boots is how customizable they are and I thought he said something about heat molding...the type of molding that twokidsskatemom was referring to. That said, they are not for everyone. We are anxious to have dd try them out... ;)

They are customizable.  I am a AA ball and AAA heel and I had my skates heat molded to squish the heel part closer together.  I am very flat footed and wear superfeet yellow inside the boots and they seem to be working great.  I had custom orthotics that I had in my harlicks that didn't work in my edeas but the superfeet are much nicer.

I love my edea skates.  I wish I can say the same about these new paramount blades I got.  They are the gold seal profile and are supposed to be like my gold seals but they feel nothing like them and I hate the way they feel.  I'm about to go back to gold seals.
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: isakswings on February 27, 2013, 02:48:31 PM
I am wanting to try the yellow super feet insoles too. That may be next on the agenda! We heat molded them Edeas last night. Hopefully she will see a difference today. :)



Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: severina on March 11, 2013, 04:03:46 PM
update.. i took out my superfeet insoles.  They were hurting my arches even more than the edea without the superfeets.  I'm back to wearing no insole except the edea one that has a little bit of shape to it.  It's not the best, but it's better than any other insole I've tried.

Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: Sk8Dreams on March 21, 2013, 10:40:28 PM
I went back to the shop where I got my Jacksons to get the heels tightened up, and it did help some, but the shop is busy and no one wants to sit there pressing my heels in for 15 minutes, so I asked a friend to go back with me the following week.  The heels are now tighter, but I think I may get a split width next time.  Also, I have already creased the ankles a bit.  I'm probably going to the PSA Conference next year, and will take advantage of the professional discount to maybe move up a level in boot and get the split width.  For now, I'm very happy to be able to skate and work pain free, and it is absolutely worth it, even if I only get one year out of the boots.  I love the blades!
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: Robin on March 26, 2013, 05:48:02 PM
Oh dear. I am not a fan of any of the  heat moldable boots, no matter what the hype is. They're a gimmick that allows the manufacturer to make the boots cheaply yet sell them at a premium under the guise of "new technology." Pro shops love them because the markup on those boots is huge, so of course they're going to push them more than the traditional Harlicks, Klingbeils, or SP Teris. (Last I checked, pro shops make about $200 for a pair of high-end Jacksons yet only about $50 for traditional brands. Gee--what ones are they going to give people the good sales pitch on?? Hmmm?) Plastic will never mold to your feet like leather no matter what they say. And even if they mold when you're standing still, they become solid again and you need not only front-to-back ankle flexibility, but a little lateral ankle flex as well. And they smell. I went through the gamut of these boots from Risport to Jackson, all of which I hated, after wearing Harlick customs for years. I thought I could get off cheap because at the time I didn't have the money for another pair of Harlicks and the guy at the pro shop sounded oh-so-knowledgable and nice. What a sales pitch he gave me! Well, I ended up going through more dreadful skates and spending more money than if I just had gotten the Harlicks to begin with. These days I use custom Klingbeils--although I'm still a fan of Harlick and SP Teri. Yes, everyone's feet are different and different brands work better for some skaters, but I am convinced that all-leather custom boots are the way to go. This way, I can get the strength I want (not very strong) in a fit that works for me. What I like about Klingbeil is that I can just go to the factory and they'll make any adjustment I need. (Yes, I do realize that this won't work for people who aren't in the Northeast, but the service can't be beat, even if you have to send them in.)

So for those who are loathing their Jacksons, Edeas, Risports, Grafs, and the like, you may want to consider getting a custom Harlick, SP Teri, or Klingbeil. The higher initial price will be more than worth it because it will save you headaches and money later on.
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: icedancer on March 26, 2013, 05:57:13 PM
Robin I totally agree about the heat-molding - it is a stupid gimmick.

I only have had one pair of them and am too cheap to go for the leather again but you will always see me complaining about those damn boots LOL

Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: Robin on March 26, 2013, 07:42:16 PM
Robin I totally agree about the heat-molding - it is a stupid gimmick.

I only have had one pair of them and am too cheap to go for the leather again but you will always see me complaining about those damn boots LOL

Haha!

Seriously, though. The heat molding is a way for manufacturers to make mass-produced boots cheaply yet claim to have better fit--and NOT pass the savings on to the consumer. Contrary to popular belief, Klingbeil, Harlick, and SP Teri are not priced out of the market. Instead, the other manufacturers are pricing their skates to be similar. Stock Harlicks are the same price as Graf Edmonton Specials--and the Grafs look like they should be sold at Walmart because they're constructed so cheaply.
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: sarahspins on March 26, 2013, 08:59:13 PM
Instead of bashing specific boot makers in like 80 different threads, why not accept the notion that not all boots work for everyone, and it's nice that we have options?

In the past I've worn SP Teri, Harlick (used), Klingbeil (used), Risport, and Jackson, and I'm happiest in my Jacksons because they work very well for my feet.  I fully respect that they don't work for you, but I also haven't found anything else that works as well for me.   You say they're more expensive and that retailers make more of a profit - sure, I guess, if you pay full retail... but buying online (I am certain of my size and non-stock options that I order) I spent several hundred dollars less on my Jacksons than I could have spent on a similar level pair of Harlick or SP Teri.

I don't fully think heat molding is a gimmick.  I think it can be, the way that it's sold as the "solution" for many boot problems - because it can't do that, but what it can do is greatly reduce break in time and potential for injury relating to break in (bleeding, blisters, possible infection, not to mention joint complications like bursas, etc).
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: Robin on March 27, 2013, 12:20:41 AM
Instead of bashing specific boot makers in like 80 different threads, why not accept the notion that not all boots work for everyone, and it's nice that we have options?

In the past I've worn SP Teri, Harlick (used), Klingbeil (used), Risport, and Jackson, and I'm happiest in my Jacksons because they work very well for my feet.  I fully respect that they don't work for you, but I also haven't found anything else that works as well for me.   You say they're more expensive and that retailers make more of a profit - sure, I guess, if you pay full retail... but buying online (I am certain of my size and non-stock options that I order) I spent several hundred dollars less on my Jacksons than I could have spent on a similar level pair of Harlick or SP Teri.

I don't fully think heat molding is a gimmick.  I think it can be, the way that it's sold as the "solution" for many boot problems - because it can't do that, but what it can do is greatly reduce break in time and potential for injury relating to break in (bleeding, blisters, possible infection, not to mention joint complications like bursas, etc).

Because bashing is so much more fun, that's why!  :D  Besides, I'm not bashing; I'm pointing out the economic motivation for the promotion of such boots by manufacturers and skate shop owners.

That and I'm a cynic. I've also used them. 
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: irenar5 on March 27, 2013, 01:29:57 AM
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I went through the gamut of these boots from Risport to Jackson, all of which I hated, after wearing Harlick customs for years. 

Those Harlicks probably molded your feet, so nothing else could ever be comfortable  :P

Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: Purple Sparkly on March 27, 2013, 07:41:49 AM
I must respectfully disagree with Robin.  I purchased my last pair of SP Teris in 2008 after being fitted by George Spiteri.  Although I was very specific as to my concerns during the fitting process, I still got a pair of expensive leather boots that didn't fit right.  And what's worse is that when I told him my custom boots didn't fit right, his first reaction was to ask who fit me so he could blame that person!  I have had a much better fit with my Jacksons than I ever did with SP Teri.
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: severina on August 25, 2013, 02:06:03 PM
I must also respectfully disagree. I have had my Edeas now for a year.  I got used to them and the arch pain went away with no need for any other insoles other than the Edea anatomic.  I will never wear Harlicks again, and I grew up on Harlick customs.  I love my Edea Concerto, and heat molding is not a gimmick.  I have narrow feet and had to have mine heat molded.  They are perfect.  I will get Ice Flys next.  I just landed my first double lutz in 18+ years and am working on a double axel on the harness. 

The moment I went from harlick customs to Edea my skating went from barely landing double loops to almost all of my doubles within 4-6 months of switching. 
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: FigureSpins on August 28, 2013, 01:41:58 PM
I think high-level skaters can adjust to anything; I've heard stories about double axels on rentals.  I think your experience is typical of that situation.
You could have gotten any brand skate and done well, as long as it was well-fitted.

For skaters with podiatric issues (orthotics, arch supports, etc.) a very-flat insole that provides no cushioning can be painful. 
I've also heard complaints about Edeas being very cold to wear because of the thin insole.
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: ronniev on April 27, 2014, 01:12:05 AM
severina,

how hard was it to heat mold? did you do it yourself? my issue is that the area around the Achilles is pretty loose. I don't want to screw up my boots, but I do want to see if I can take care of it myself. any pointers?
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: Rachelsk8s on April 27, 2014, 05:19:04 PM
So I know I'm very late to this thread, but seeing as I had absolutely NO intentions of ever considering EDEA's, I think I may have possibly been persuaded :) my coach, also one of my good friends, recently bought the Ice Fly's with Pattern 99 blades. We are about the same size so yesterday we switched skates and I tried them out for a few minutes. Granted I didn't try much in them, and I honestly think it was more due to the difference in blade, I was surprisingly shocked at how comfortable they were!! I have honestly never skated in skates that comfortable, and I was also shocked at well I could bend in them! :)  I'm definitely due for new boots, mine have just about had it and now I'm actually considering buying the same model. I know everyone has had horror stories for all kinds of boot brands out there, not all work for everyone but I'm finding it interesting reading about other forum members stories and experience with EDEA. Anyone else have any other experiences either positive or negative? Thanks!  ;)
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: ice.idk on February 01, 2015, 01:24:44 PM
I know that edeas's are are made for a certain foot. They do come in different widths but when you order something other theb the standard width they come as a special order and are non returnable. The way edea hear molds them is with high power hair dryers not in the oven technique because that will melt the skate. From what I've heard and experienced you either love Edea or hate them. When I was at skate US the guy there said that they are made for a certain foot type/shape, even if you get a wider width they are still made for a certain foot. Just like jacksons or riedells aren't for everyone. No one skate will ever work for everyone.
I personally love edeas's but riedells will always hold a special place in my heart
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: davincisop on February 02, 2015, 11:01:58 AM
After having been in Jackson for the last 4 years, I'm switching to Edeas in three weeks (after I finish my test). My fitter ordered them in before I made a commitment to buy because he wants to make sure people love them. I was sold the second they went on my feet. The only downside is I have to buy a new blade because my 9.5's are sitting off the back of the boot.

My friend switched to them and is in love, but her friend switched to them and is iffy. I don't think it's a skate for everyone, but I'm optimistic because I'm already in love with them.
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: Query on February 02, 2015, 11:50:06 AM
They do come in different widths but when you order something other theb the standard width they come as a special order and are non returnable.

AFAICT from their web site, they are not available in other than one standard width and shape for each size. (It's called a "European Last", or an "Italian Last" shape, thin throughout the length of the foot - common among many Italian-made shoes. It is one of the reasons some people love Italian shoes, and others don't.)

I think it is the distributor or dealer that changes the Edea width with the hair drier, rather than the manufacturer. David Rippon, a U.S. distributor who sometimes travels to competitions to do fittings, is very well known for being expert at this. But even he said that my feet, with substantially wider toes than heel, and shorter than average toes, could not be accommodated in Edeas (a Riedel factory rep said the same about their boots), though that was partly because I was about halfway between sizes.

If you love lightweight boots, other manufacturers, like Harlick, make them too. A technician told me that the lightest Harlicks are slightly lighter. Many people say ultra-light boots are said not to last as long, which makes sense, but it is possible you spend a lot more on lessons and ice than boots.
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: davincisop on February 02, 2015, 03:05:24 PM
They have the standard "C" width that is carried at different shops, but I found out recently that they do have a "D" width available, but you have to order from Italy. (Only know because my fitter sent a tracing of my foot to someone that works with David to see if going one width bigger would be better or if the standard can be stretched enough for my feet. He doesn't think I need the D but wants to be sure).
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: Casey on February 04, 2015, 06:19:22 AM
Haha!

Seriously, though. The heat molding is a way for manufacturers to make mass-produced boots cheaply yet claim to have better fit--and NOT pass the savings on to the consumer. Contrary to popular belief, Klingbeil, Harlick, and SP Teri are not priced out of the market. Instead, the other manufacturers are pricing their skates to be similar. Stock Harlicks are the same price as Graf Edmonton Specials--and the Grafs look like they should be sold at Walmart because they're constructed so cheaply.

I agree wholeheartedly with this - I had Graf Edmonton Specials, overpriced garbage that tore up my feet and fell apart.  After that experience I am a firm believer in getting true custom boots. I wouldn't touch Edeas myself.

Your feet are worth it folks!
Title: Re: Ditched My Hated Edea's
Post by: Bercana on October 22, 2015, 10:45:13 PM
There's some misinformation in this thread.


As for the original poster... it's interesting for sure. Everyone is different. I absolutely LOVE my Edea boots and have never had to use gel sleeves or special insoles or any other add-ons. And they were super comfortable from day one. I didn't even really have to break them in. They felt a touch tight in one spot during the first skate but that went away by the second skate. However my Jackson's before that were a nightmare and killed me and I DID need gel sleeves and inserts... etc. And I wore them for months before they even started to break in. So... YMMV :)