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Events for Skaters / ISI Adult Championships - October 27-29 - Orlando
« Last post by davincisop on July 23, 2017, 05:17:59 PM »
ISI Adult Championships are in Orlando, Florida, at RDV Ice Den this year.

Competition is October 27-29, 2017. Coincides with the ISI Holiday Challenge (same weekend, same rink).

Entry deadline: September 5, 2017

http://www.skateisi.com/site/Sub.Cfm?content=adult_championships
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Sitting on the Boards Rink Side / Re: This is an expensive sport!
« Last post by icepixie on July 23, 2017, 05:04:48 PM »
Costs in my area are:
  • $450 per 36 tickets for hour-long freestyle sessions (works out to $12.50 an hour and lasts me about 3 months if skating 3-4 hours per week; you can also buy smaller amounts for a higher per-ticket price or walk-on is $15 each)*
  • $30 per half-hour lesson for my coaches; varies depending on who the coach is, but I think they're all within about $5 of that, maybe $10 more for a couple of them
  • $20 skate sharpening
  • For us it's also about $100 per first event at competition and $40ish for additional events
  • $100 a year club dues
  • It's been a while since I tested anything, but I think we're up to about $60 per moves or freestyle test, maybe $25 or $30 per dance
  • This summer we've had a really good deal for on-ice classes.  There's one each weekday and Saturday morning for adults only(!), things like figures, Curry, stroking, jump/spin, and dance.  It's $20 for the class and another half-hour of ice either before or after the class.  You don't have to pay for the ice separately, which was always my experience in the past.
  • That rink also does off-ice classes aimed at kids, but I don't know much about them.  I think they're $20 each.

* At the other rink I probably won't skate at any more once my no-longer-sold punch pass is done, if you commit to specific days and times and do way more per month than I could, you can get it down to about half that, but there's no way I can plan my schedule that far in advance, and anyway you need to buy like 40 hours a month to get the cheap price.  And of course, before management changed last year at my usual rink, it was $4 per 45-minute session...  :'(
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Sitting on the Boards Rink Side / Re: This is an expensive sport!
« Last post by fsk8r on July 23, 2017, 01:32:11 PM »
I thought I read someone's comment about lessons being $20? That would be amazing. I'm curious to how different the costs are regionally across the U.S., and globally. For us, this is about what it costs to skate in our area.
  • $160-200 per month for unlimited freestyle ice or $11-16 for an hour of walk-on ice fees
  • $30-40 per half hour for coaching fees
  • $15 for a half hour off-ice class
  • $100-150 for first event at competition, $35-45 for additional events
  • $20-25 for freestyle blade skate sharpening

I'm over in the UK and I forget what the exchange rate is at the moment (it's diabolical) but going by the historic one of about $2: £1, the costs are fairly similar. It's just that my rink happens to charge significantly less for freestyle. We're probably closer to $90 a month for unlimited ice (freestyle and public - not that many of us use public once we're on freestyle). We're a public rink and the private rinks tend to charge more but I've not heard of many places which are above $120 a month.
For the kids, there are no additional events at competitions. It's just a free program, unless they are competing dance, when there is a slight reduction for doing both pattern dance and free dance at an event (we don't have enough competitions so they're heavily oversubscribed and they're all run IJS which takes slightly longer with the judging than 6.0).
Where our costs do increase is that because of the limited number of competitions, to get extra experience some skaters end up competing elsewhere in Europe and then there's flight and hotel costs to consider. UK competitions it's just gas money and possibly a hotel.

But it's quite nice to see that the pricing is reasonably comparable.
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Sitting on the Boards Rink Side / Re: earplug danger or speakerphone annoyance?
« Last post by Isk8NYC on July 23, 2017, 11:33:35 AM »
I have a Bluetooth cube speaker that I use at the rink.  This is a good suggestion, thanks.
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Sitting on the Boards Rink Side / Re: This is an expensive sport!
« Last post by DressmakingMomma on July 23, 2017, 10:10:30 AM »
It all started with $100 for eight weeks of group lessons and a pair of used skates - we had no idea what we were in for!!! We have had to put the brakes on and say this is it, we cannot spend another penny on skating because we don't have another penny to spend. It is hard to say no to something that you view as really healthy for your child. We are tapped out at three lessons + one off-ice class per week, although our kiddo wishes she could have lessons everyday.

I thought I read someone's comment about lessons being $20? That would be amazing. I'm curious to how different the costs are regionally across the U.S., and globally. For us, this is about what it costs to skate in our area.
  • $160-200 per month for unlimited freestyle ice or $11-16 for an hour of walk-on ice fees
  • $30-40 per half hour for coaching fees
  • $15 for a half hour off-ice class
  • $100-150 for first event at competition, $35-45 for additional events
  • $20-25 for freestyle blade skate sharpening
When I add up the gas and extras, we are paying a small mortgage payment for our kid to skate and then I start to feel horrible. But skating does something special for her soul and I just can't imagine her stopping. We view it as an investment in her future as we believe she is being prepared with some pretty special life skills, especially given the state of today's typical teenage attitude towards hard work, dedication, ability to work through failure, and pushing yourself past what you believe your limits are. We don't really care what she does as a skater, it is all the other benefits that motivate us to come up with the money to participate in this crazy sport.
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Sitting on the Boards Rink Side / Re: earplug danger or speakerphone annoyance?
« Last post by lutefisk on July 23, 2017, 09:06:07 AM »
My ice dance coach has a little Mifa F20 bluetooth speaker which she places on one of my arms and pairs to the music on her smart phone.  The volume is set such that we can clearly hear the  music, when skating partnered, and not be unaware of our surroundings.  Works well even when we're separated (when I'm demonstrating something solo for her so she can see my legs, etc.).  Check it out:  http://www.mifa.net/en/product-id-48.html
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Sitting on the Boards Rink Side / Re: This is an expensive sport!
« Last post by Query on July 22, 2017, 11:31:50 PM »
Re: fencing

I don't know how often this occurs, but fencing equipment standards change, requiring new purchases, and changes in allowable and practical technique.

I fenced a little, using foil, up to about 1980. About 15 or 20 years later, I went to a local club session, and brought my old equipment - I couldn't use it. And not just for competitions, because it wasn't electric.

Apparently "foils" became completely different - much stiffer, almost like Épées used to be. I think some decided the old ones were unsafe, because they were too flexible and fragile - i.e., the tip could break off, leaving a sharp point. That must also radically change the technique, because I guess you can no longer whip the point into place, and perhaps the stiffer and heavier blades alter circular parries. I wouldn't be surprised if old jackets weren't thick enough to provide sufficient protection against the newer style blades.

Also, the person in charge wouldn't let me use what used to be one of my favorite moves, on the basis of safety, where you go into a deep lunge. She claimed it wasn't safe to bend the knee past 90 degrees (like, of course, everyone does in figure skating). I'm not sure if that was an actual rule, or just what she had been taught. Also, for some reason, the moves in which you pass or come side-by-side with someone, then touch their back from behind, were apparently banned, or maybe are just impractical with electric equipment.

Even when I fenced, the altered scoring system, and the use of electric equipment in tournament play had forced people to move along narrow lanes, radically changing the nature of fencing (and dueling) styles of a few decades earlier, when people danced and circled around each other.

Perhaps older styles of equipment and technique are still used by the Society for Creative Anachronisms (SCA), Markland, and the Renaissance Fair people - or by some of the martial arts fans...

It would not be at all surprising if wireless fencing equipment will soon completely replace the current generation of equipment, again requiring new purchases, and changes in allowable and practical technique - including, perhaps, a partial return to older techniques. So you may soon need to buy more stuff, and get new lessons. :) And maybe you now need to augment your training with WII and other video games, adding another dimension to cost.

In contrast, figure skates and clothing styles change, but you can still theoretically skate with old style skate equipment and clothing, even for tests and competitions - I think.

BTW, some college and university fencing clubs admit older folk - and probably charge a lot less.
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Sitting on the Boards Rink Side / Re: earplug danger or speakerphone annoyance?
« Last post by AgnesNitt on July 22, 2017, 10:00:26 PM »
So bumping.

This has changed at my rink at the unofficial level. One earplug in--okay.

The only ones who skate with both plugs in are high school boys and a few grown men.

I've never, not once, seen a woman with both plugs in.

I never use my earplugs except on the rare occasion the music on public isn't playing.

Reason? The rink upgraded the speakers so the sound is loud from some 8-12 speakers around the rink. You cannot get away from it at all. Why bother with headphones.

(Also music is thumpa thumpa--with some occasional melody--Thank you autotune)
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Sitting on the Boards Rink Side / Re: This is an expensive sport!
« Last post by FigureSpins on July 22, 2017, 04:14:44 PM »
Excellent observations.  I tried Fencing for a while via group lessons using borrowed outfit/equipment.  The required clothing for competition levels was over $200, without the weapon.  Private Fencing lessons are about $20/hour more than the average figure skating coaching rate, but it includes the facility use, so it's about the same cost for training. The Club membership varied widely based on how many practice sessions you planned to attend, group classes, private lessons, and equipment storage.  If you wanted to compete, it was even more, but it was supplemented by the initial package and included even more lessons/practices.  It was very confusing for a beginner, but I guess the fencers know what they need once they are taking privates.
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Sitting on the Boards Rink Side / Re: This is an expensive sport!
« Last post by AgnesNitt on July 21, 2017, 09:43:58 PM »
I used to show horses for other people locally.

Figure skating is like boarding money.
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