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The Pro Shop / Re: Health question
« Last post by Leif on September 21, 2017, 07:27:36 AM »
Ah, but your sampling population is rec teams, and that's far different from the NHL, Olympic, or NCAA teams [that's like making conclusions about figure skaters by observing a public session].  There have been many studies of the potential effect of intensive sports on growth in children, and many are flawed from improper statistical sampling and analysis ... with some concluding that gymnastics stunts the growth of young girls, and basketball enhances the growth of young girls.   ;)

From this link:

http://www.livestrong.com/article/516389-body-characteristics-of-hockey-players/

Quote: "There is no one defined body type for forwards. Players with a more muscular physique are better able to take a hit and keep on going, but smaller and faster players have been among the most successful players in the game's history. "

Goalies do tend to be big, even the women, but that is so they block more of the goal!!!!

Query referred to hockey players in general, not professional hockey players. I do think it worth commenting on his statement, because it might turn people off hockey when in fact lighter and thinner types such as me can successfully participate as long as they have enthusiasm, endurance and skating ability. Despite being 54 I have more energy than many of the lads half my age. And I can steal the puck from the big chaps too.

Also have a watch of hockey training sessions on YouTube, you might realise that it is not a bunch of thugs having a fight, though sadly that does happen during games. There is an awful lot of athleticism and skill involved, as there is of course in figure skating. ;D

I read that running leads to stronger leg bones. I used to do long distance running for 30 years. It might be that skating has a similar effect, though I have no evidence, just a guess.

Anway, I made no comment on growth as I don't know. I do think giving a child a poor diet to enhance their performance is wicked though.
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The Pro Shop / Re: Health question
« Last post by tstop4me on September 21, 2017, 06:45:34 AM »
A bit off topic, however:

I would argue that hockey is not a combat sport and that it is a game of considerable skill, although there is some aggression in the contact versions. Watch Sidney Crosby play and you will see what I mean. As to size, I have no data but from looking at recreational hockey some of the best players I have seen are actually fairly small, and some might be called weedy. But they are highly skilled skaters and stick handlers, who can skate the socks off the opposition. All of the coaches that I have come across have been lean, not obviously muscular, and range in height from small to average. Of course there will be some players that are chosen because they are big and can flatten opponants. I know one chap who is big, and despite limited skating ability he was asked to join a rec. team and my guess is that his size was a key reason. But you can't have all big lads. And in fact a lot of the players in the rec games I attend are women, and very good they are too. I recall making a few passes to one particular lass (woman) and on each occasion she'd scoot off to the other end of the rink and take a shot at the goal, very good play indeed. As I say, I have no proper data, just my observations here in the UK. Are you perhaps thinking of sumo wrestling? The two are easily confused.  :)
Ah, but your sampling population is rec teams, and that's far different from the NHL, Olympic, or NCAA teams [that's like making conclusions about figure skaters by observing a public session].  There have been many studies of the potential effect of intensive sports on growth in children, and many are flawed from improper statistical sampling and analysis ... with some concluding that gymnastics stunts the growth of young girls, and basketball enhances the growth of young girls.   ;)
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The Pro Shop / Re: Health question
« Last post by Leif on September 21, 2017, 04:17:52 AM »
A bit off topic, however:

(But hockey skaters tend to be big bruisers overall, including somewhat tall, because hockey is a combat sport. Maybe having a little extra reach helps too. So there is a selection factor in hockey AGAINST small people, especially at elite levels.)

I would argue that hockey is not a combat sport and that it is a game of considerable skill, although there is some aggression in the contact versions. Watch Sidney Crosby play and you will see what I mean. As to size, I have no data but from looking at recreational hockey some of the best players I have seen are actually fairly small, and some might be called weedy. But they are highly skilled skaters and stick handlers, who can skate the socks off the opposition. All of the coaches that I have come across have been lean, not obviously muscular, and range in height from small to average. Of course there will be some players that are chosen because they are big and can flatten opponants. I know one chap who is big, and despite limited skating ability he was asked to join a rec. team and my guess is that his size was a key reason. But you can't have all big lads. And in fact a lot of the players in the rec games I attend are women, and very good they are too. I recall making a few passes to one particular lass (woman) and on each occasion she'd scoot off to the other end of the rink and take a shot at the goal, very good play indeed. As I say, I have no proper data, just my observations here in the UK. Are you perhaps thinking of sumo wrestling? The two are easily confused.  :)
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The Pro Shop / Re: Anything Further On the Jackson Debut? Comparisons with Freestyle?
« Last post by sampaguita on September 21, 2017, 02:54:25 AM »
There's a thread on the Debut here. A major difference between the Freestyle and the Debut, aside from the stiffness, is the fit of the boot. You can check out the rest here: http://skatingforums.com/index.php?topic=7744.0
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The Pro Shop / Re: Leg warmers
« Last post by Ethereal Ice on September 20, 2017, 07:21:42 PM »
I don't know what brand they are, but I have several pairs of leggings warmers off Amazon that are generally advertised for ballet and are inexpensive. They have kind of a scalloped end and a straight end. I take the scalloped end and stretch it down over the back 2/3 of my boots, only my toe is exposed. I also wear fleece lined tights, and they are not enough. I pretty much always wear leg warmers when I skate, otherwise my lower legs and feet get cold.
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The Pro Shop / Re: Health question
« Last post by RinkGuard on September 20, 2017, 05:45:39 PM »
I'd like to remind all the well meaning posters that the OP is a child. None of us are her physicians and other than to encourage her to see her doctor, or to discuss the issue with her parents  we shouldn't discuss this further or ask her any personal information.

FigureSpins has answered her question that skating won't make her growth stop.

I think now is a good point to close it down.
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The Pro Shop / Re: Health question
« Last post by Query on September 20, 2017, 04:07:16 PM »
They say damaging the "growth plates" at the ends of long bones can make you stop growing, or make you grow in a pathological manner. E.g.,

  https://www.niams.nih.gov/Health_Info//Growth_Plate_Injuries

Perhaps repetitive figure skate jumping can create such injuries? If so, I'm sure it would take a medical exam and tests to determine if it is a factor - it is probably too hard to diagnose yourself.

On the advice of a physician, one of my very short relatives considered HGH (human growth hormone) treatment, when she was young, to get taller. She was also told that it can produce severe side effects. But this is something to take up with a physician who specializes in sports medicine, not with random advice from the Internet.

But hormone treatments could disqualify you from athletic competitions, including figure skating. (I'm not sure if it can be allowed if ruled medically necessary by the appropriate figure skating organization.)

You CAN possibly determine yourself if over-cautious avoidance of outside edges, or poor blade placement on your skates, tends to FORCE you into a bow-legged position. That may not be something most doctors are trained to see or understand. You basically have to FEEL these things within your body, though sometimes a coach can help figure that out.

And there are exercises which might help.

But beyond that, if you have become bow-legged, it makes much more sense to consult with a doctor, who can look and test to see if causative injuries exist, and determine if surgery or physical therapy can help, than to ask us.

I know many people hate seeing doctors, and they are expensive if the exam isn't covered by insurance, but sometimes they can help. If you are seriously concerned about this, I hope you see one.

P.S. If you have religious objections to seeing doctors, I mean no harm by suggesting it.
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The Pro Shop / Re: Health question
« Last post by tstop4me on September 20, 2017, 11:29:56 AM »
I am seeing a dr. Im 12 and 115 lbs. solid muscle and eat very well. Was just curious if anyone heard of such a thing.
But how tall are you?
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The Pro Shop / Re: Health question
« Last post by davincisop on September 20, 2017, 10:27:57 AM »
Keep in mind, you're 12. You're not done growing. Women have growth spurts into their early 20s.

Several girls at my rink didn't have growth spurts until they hit 15, and then suddenly had to account for a bunch of new height. One has switched to ice dance, because she has long limbs that look beautiful in that discipline, but she's still jumping. But she had to essentially relearn her jumps as a result.

Count your blessings, short in this sport is great. I'm 29, I stopped growing in my mid-teens at 5 feet tall. My whole family is significantly taller than me, but genetically I got a recessive gene, because only one grandma was my height and that skipped my mom and my sister, my dad's side is ALL tall.
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