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On the Ice => Sitting on the Boards Rink Side => Topic started by: Isk8NYC on September 15, 2010, 09:05:36 AM
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Just for fun:
Answer the question before you (even if you have to Google it, that's okay) and then ask a different one.
For example:
Person 1/Q: Why do synchro skaters use Sk8tape?
Person 2/A: To cover their skates so everyone's looks the same on the team.
Person 2/Q: What figures are one the first test?
and so on...
If you want include a link to some resources, that's fine, but a short, clear answer will do.
No essay questions or answers, please.
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I'll start:
Q: What figures are on the first test?
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Well, if by the first test you mean the Preliminary test then:
Edges (O, I backwards and forwards)
FO8
FI8
Waltz 8
If by the first test you mean the 1st test:
FO8
FI8
RF Serpentine
LF Serpentine
BO 8
3s to Center
Now do I have to ask another question?
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yes, please
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Cool!
What does it mean if a figure skater is "chacked"?
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Stolen from Wiktionary:
From Michael Chack, an American figure skater whose bronze medal winning performance at the 1993 US National Championships was not broadcast on television because the producers did not think he would win a medal.
Verb
to chack (third-person singular simple present chacks, present participle chacking, simple past and past participle chacked)
(ice-skating) To not broadcast a medal-winning or otherwise memorable or crucial figure skating performance. This only occurs in a live broadcast because the network has to decide which programs to show and which to cut in the interest of time. If a skater is low in the rankings and several big names are set to skate later, that performance may be cut.
My question:
What's a jenkins spiral?
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From the ISI Skaters and Coaches Handbook:
Jenkins or Forward Undercut Spiral
While gliding forward inside on a deeply bent knee, the free hip is held as low as the skating hip, free leg extended to the outside of the circle. The move is uncaptured for [ISI] Pre-Alpha-Delta and Freestyle levels only. It is a requirement in Couple 4 and Pair 2 so it cannot be performed below those levels.
Along the same lines: What is a Chinese Arabesque?
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From the ISI Skaters and Coaches Handbook:
Along the same lines: What is a Chinese Arabesque?
from here: http://www.skatejournal.com/turnglide.html
"An arabesque or spiral in which the free leg is bent and the free foot or blade caught with the hand. The free leg may be held at any height."
(Kewl! - I've managed to do this 4 times so far, with my goal of an eventual Biellmann ;D. Off-ice, I can hold Free-blade up to shoulder-blade more often)
What is an "uncaptured move" in competition?
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An uncaptured move is one in which is not technically on a test or doesn't technically get a point value. For ISI, I think this entails Bauers and spread eagles as examples. For IJS it entails bauers, spread eagles, walleys, inside Axels, and so on.
What does the transition mark under IJS entail?
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Transitions are one of the five Program Component Scores (PCS) of IJS. It's also called "Linking Footwork" in some documents. The other four components are Skating Skills, Performance/Execution, Choreography/Composition, and Interpretation (Timing.)
http://www.usfigureskating.org/content/IJS%20Handbook.pdf
If an Adult Silver freeskate program can be a maximum of 2m10s, what's the minimum length?
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Transitions are one of the five Program Component Scores (PCS) of IJS. It's also called "Linking Footwork" in some documents.
The other four components are Skating Skills, Performance/Execution, Choreography/Composition, and Interpretation (Timing.)
http://www.usfigureskating.org/content/IJS%20Handbook.pdf
If an Adult Silver freeskate program can be a maximum of 2m10s, what's the minimum length?
1m30s
Which competitions judge by CoP system; and which competitions judge by 6.0 system?
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Adult Silver has no minimum time, sk8joyful.
IJS (no such thing since the second season of existence as CoP; CoP is the name for Gymnastics judging) is used at Juvenile and higher levels and 6.0 is used for levels below Juvenile (unless a club decides to use IJS for PJ/Pre/Prepre). For adults, 6.0 is used for all events at Sectionals and IJS is used for Gold and Master at Adult Nationals and at some local competitions.
What changes to IJS this year are being referred to as the "Mao Asada rules?"
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Adult Silver has no minimum time, sk8joyful.
IJS (no such thing since the second season of existence as CoP; CoP is the name for Gymnastics judging) is used at Juvenile and higher levels and 6.0 is used for levels below Juvenile (unless a club decides to use IJS for PJ/Pre/Prepre). For adults, 6.0 is used for all events at Sectionals and IJS is used for Gold and Master at Adult Nationals and at some local competitions.
What changes to IJS this year are being referred to as the "Mao Asada rules?"
re 'Adult Sliver' - Read several sites wrong? . But re 'COP', have read this several times, by figureskaters this past year . confusing.
Some smart cookie ;D will come along shortly with the answer to your question.
What specific handicaps? have some Individuals overcome, to successfully learn to iceskate.
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What specific handicaps? have some Individuals overcome, to successfully learn to iceskate.
Elaine Zayak was missing part of her foot.
Scott Hamilton had a disorder that affected his growth
Rudy Galindo skated professionally with AIDS and two hip replacements
Madge Syers skated and took second place in the 1902 Olympic men's division, despite being a woman (see entry in wikipedia)
Question: Which skaters have rules or jumps or moves named after them.
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The famous Zayak rule (you can only perform 2 of a specific triple jump, and one must be in combination) - this rule was to limit the amount of triples done in a program, since skaters, like Zayak, would do many triple toes in the LP.
There's also what is loosely called the Asada Rule, which is to allow women to perform a solo triple axel in the short program. This replaces the previous double axel requirement, which will now be a double or triple axel requirement.
There was also a loosely termed "Witt Rule" that required ladies to have a skirt as part of the costume. Remember Witt, back in 1988, had the controversial SP costume with the feathers. A rule was imposed for ladies to have skirt material on the costume, but that rule has since been replaced with new costume rules...one of which allows women to wear body suits.
As far as moves:
Biellmann
Axel
Salchow
Hamill Camel
Harding Spin (not really a famous move, but love Dick Button's "cross between a Hamill Camel and a tipsy skater")
Tano Lutz
Rippon Lutz
How many skaters can you name that have won two or more Olympic medals?
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Don't forget Kerrigan spiral, Ina Bauer, and the Walley jump.
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How many skaters can you name that have won two or more Olympic medals?
Sonia Henie (3)
Dick Button
Carol Heiss
Both Jenkins brothers
Michelle Kwan
Katarina Witt
Brian Orser
Plushenko (3)
Gilles Grafstrom (3)
Ullrich Salchow
Maribel Vinson (Owens)
There's probably more...
There's also another part to the loosely named "Asada" rule which is the 70% rotation part
What's the difference between a < and a << under IJS
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If the jump is marked "<", it was assessed by the Tech Panel as being between 1/4 turn and less than 1/2 turn short of rotation. The jump has been called with its intended rotations, but only given 70% of the base value of the intended jump.
If the jump is marked "<<", it was assessed by the Tech Panel as being 1/2 turn or more short of rotation. The jump has been called as having one rotation less than intended, and is given the base value of the lower-rotation jump.
(In ice dance and - I think - pairs) what is the new rule regarding use of costumes, and why did this rule come about?
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Quote from: sk8Joyful on Today at 00:08:13
What specific handicaps? have some Individuals overcome, to successfully learn to iceskate.
Elaine Zayak was missing part of her foot.
Scott Hamilton had a disorder that affected his growth
Rudy Galindo skated professionally with AIDS and two hip replacements
Madge Syers skated and took second place in the 1902 Olympic men's division, despite being a woman (see entry in wikipedia)
Question: Which skaters have rules or jumps or moves named after them.
Wow! - I asked, as being forced to recover from that Adrenal-collapse was no picnic either; so it helps to SEE what others have achieved, Yeah!
so far, the most I can readily say: the Biellmann Spiral, the Ina Bauer move, the Salchow-jump, & of course the Axel-jump: Michael's splendid Specialty
question: Since we learn Cross-overs in Alpha-class already, why are Edges not taught until two courses later? (unless we can get a Coach to let us)
What is the wisdom behind that order? Thanks!
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Basic edges are taught from the beginning, with one-foot glides (on flats), swizzles, curves and one-foot pumps. Crossovers are taught in Basic 4 and advanced forward edges are taught in Basic 5. Skaters learn crossovers before they're able to do advanced edges, but the Basic 5 edges will strengthen the existing crossover skills.
"How many BASIC edges are there?"
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Forward:
Left Outside
Left Inside
Right Outside
Right Inside
Backward:
Left Outside
Left Inside
Right Outside
Right Inside
What are the basic elements a synchronized skating team can execute? ((i.e. a circle))
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It was a trick question: there are TWO basic edges: inside and outside.
Sorry, it's a PSA and USFSA trivia question that anyone who knows how to skate gets wrong.
Congratulations - you're a skater!
Basic synchro elements: Line, block, circle, intersection, wheels and step outs where a few skaters do a different element like a spin, gliding maneuver or jump.
Did I miss anything?
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What are the basic elements a synchronized skating team can execute? ((i.e. a circle))
Basic synchro elements: Line, block, circle, intersection, wheels and step outs where a few skaters do a different element like a spin, gliding maneuver or jump.
Did I miss anything?
The "step outs where a few skaters do a different element" are called Moves in Isolation.
The other basic elements you missed that I can think of are "Moves in the Field", where all the skaters have to do the same move (eg: spreadeagle); and "Step Sequences", done either as a No Hold Step Sequence (formerly No Hold Block), or in a Block or Circle. No matter that they are done in a Block or Circle shape, they must be made separate from the actual Block or Circle to be called.
In Senior only, they also have the Pair element, the Spin element, Spiral element, and the Lift.
Anyone want to go back and have a go at my earlier question, or do I need to post a different one?
(hint - if you're stuck, watch Domnina/Shabalin's FD from the Olympics this year.)
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Anyone want to go back and have a go at my earlier question, or do I need to post a different one?
No treating the partner as luggage? IOW, no handholds?
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No treating the partner as luggage? IOW, no handholds?
(Bingo!)
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Sorry, I missed that question. (I didn't know the answer anyway.)
We're all caught up and answered now, and I think Agnes was the next questioner.
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In Ice Dance which compulsory dance is credited to Torvil and Dean?
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In Ice Dance which compulsory dance is credited to Torvil and Dean?
Westminster Waltz Compulsory dance from the 1984 Winter Olympics, where they scored 3 perfect 6.0's
(if that's not what you were thinking, it sounds good anyway :))
Name the competitions, in which a Recreational skater can participate without Compulsory move requirements?
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*Buzzer* Wrong! :o
Next guess.
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Would it be the Rhumba d'Amour? (Not sure whether that's been formally released as a CD - now Pattern Dance - yet?)
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Sorry everyone, it's the Paso Doble.
Here's sk8joyful's question
Name the competitions, in which a Recreational skater can participate without Compulsory move requirements?
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That would be the new ISI Open categories: Open Bronze, Open Silver, Open Gold, and Open Platinum.
Speaking of ISI, name the total number of skaters who've passed Freestyle 10 (hint: not as many as you may think)
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30 skaters have passed Freestyle 10, the latest is Delanie Honda, who also won an ISIA Educational Foundation college scholarship. (One of 75 skaters - not all are FS10) Agnes Zawadzki, 2010 U.S. Junior Ladies National Champion, is an ISI Freestyle 10 skater.
Where are the ISU World Figure Skating Championships taking place in 2011?
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Tokyo!
Trying to think of a trivia-like question....this one is multi-leveled if that's okay ;D:
Who was Dick Button married to, how many children did he have with her, and who did his wife coach that is considered an icon of US Figure Skating?
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Slavka Kohout, they had 2 children (Edward and Emily), and she coached Janet Lynn. (Love wiki - hope it was right!!)
A new compulsory dance (now pattern dance) was released a couple of years ago. What is the dance, and on whose OD was it based?
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I asked: Name the competitions, in which a Recreational skater can participate without Compulsory move requirements?
That would be the new ISI Open categories: Open Bronze, Open Silver, Open Gold, and Open Platinum.
I re-read my question, then re-read your answer, next googled it, & then realized :) that what you thought I asked, is not what I meant :)
This lead me to 10 other ISI-sites, incldg. the annual ISI-competition at our rink: helping me think of more questions... anyhoo, Thanks! for your response.
Speaking of ISI, name the total number of skaters who've passed Freestyle 10 (hint: not as many as you may think)
I think I read in ISI-magazine: a couple dozen, or so, Skaters have passed the ISI FS-10 test: formidable! with 6 Triples!!! :o
enough to challenge, some Elite-skaters, right? ;D
question: How is a half-Flip skated?
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Half-flip: BI edge, opposite toepick vault, 1/2 rotation in the air, forward landing (toe-to-opposite foot edge.)
A new compulsory dance (now pattern dance) was released a couple of years ago. What is the dance, and on whose OD was it based?
Midnight Blues is a total SWAG, but ice-dance.com says it was invented by Roy, Sue Bradshaw, Mark Bradshaw, and Julie MacDonald.
What controversy surrounded Katerina Witt's costume in 1988? (What was the fallout, too?)
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Witt's costume had no skirt. Led to rule about skirts being required for ladies' costumes - since repealed except for dance.
I googled SWAG but still can't work out what it means? :-[
(Not the dance I was thinking of? I'll leave my question up if anyone else wants to have a go.)
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The absence of skirt was correct!
SWAG=Serious Wild-A**** Guess.
I know very little about ice dancing - too bad I got it wrong. It's still on the table.
A new compulsory dance (now pattern dance) was released a couple of years ago. What is the dance, and on whose OD was it based?
(Hint: It's not the Midnight Blues.)
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I think it is the Finn Step - possibly invented by/inspired by Rahkamo and Kokko (sp) - the Finnish ice-dancers.
What OTHER skater inspired the "ladies must wear a skirt" rule? (IMHO LOL ;D)
Also I think now ice-dancers must wear a skirt (or something like it covering the hips) but singles/pairs can wear pants... or is that backwards? I don't think so...
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Was it Dr. Debi Thomas' infamous one-piece bodysuit that led to a ruling that all ladies freestylists must wear skirts? That rule was reversed a few years later in singles, but I'm not sure about pairs or ice dancing.
What is the "modesty" rule regarding costuming?
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I think it is the Finn Step - possibly invented by/inspired by Rahkamo and Kokko (sp) - the Finnish ice-dancers.
(That's the one.)
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What is the "modesty" rule regarding costuming?
Looking at the ice dancers, are you trying to tell me there's a "modesty rule" out there?? Or is the rule "the less modesty the better"?? :D :D
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It's my turn to ask the questions...
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It's my turn to ask the questions...
Sorry Isk8NYC - I wasn't trying to ask a different question, just making a slightly off-topic joke about ice dancers' costumes.
Again, apologies.
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I was hoping you knew the answer since you're such a big ice dance buff.
Okay, it was the 2004 Excessive Nudity rule, which came about because skaters were causing world-wide shortages of Illusion fabric, lol.
Believe it or not, this wasn't an issue at the 2010 Olympics. I guess wearing ropes and being tossed around like a suitcase doesn't count and there's no rule against bad taste, lol.
Costumes Rule Change to track ISU rule: For singles and pairs, "the clothing must not give the effect of excessive nudity for athletic sport. Men must wear trousers; no tights are permitted. Accessories and props are not permitted." Ladies in singles and pairs may now wear trousers and unitards as well as the traditional attire of skirts and tights. Men are limited only as provided above. For dance, the costume rule was not changed. Synchronized skaters may now wear trousers.
Link: http://www.usfigureskating.org/Story.asp?id=25756
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New question:
Why do skaters wear over-the-boot tights?
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There are many reasons for OTB tights. One - some skaters/coaches think it gives a longer looking leg-line. Two - some skaters wear OTB tights during practice to protect their skates. Three - don't want to change laces/polish skates. Four - synchro skater w/o beige skates/tape.
What percentage of skaters who start skating in the USFS structure are estimated to pass their Senior tests?
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3% http://www.usfsa.org/About.asp?id=249
What year did the USFSA "start" the Basic Skills program?
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Ha ha--you mean "ripped off" ISI's Pre-Alpha-Delta program?
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Ha ha--you mean "ripped off" ISI's Pre-Alpha-Delta program?
I see no resemblance between Alpha-Beta-Gamma and Basic 1-2-3...7-8.
What year did the USFSA "start" the Basic Skills program?
I couldn't find the answer :-[ I'm not very good at searching, lol.
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Believe it or not, this wasn't an issue at the 2010 Olympics. I guess wearing ropes and being tossed around like a suitcase doesn't count and there's no rule against bad taste, lol.
Agree about the bad taste at the 2010 games (who could forget this one??)
http://a.abcnews.com/images/GMA/rt_Domnina_Shabalin2_100222_ssh.jpg (http://a.abcnews.com/images/GMA/rt_Domnina_Shabalin2_100222_ssh.jpg)
but 2006 mustn't have got the message about the "illusion" of nudity...
http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/81432925.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789215ABF3343C02EA54877F8F179101C8677241D42C94DE9F945A921804CC4AF7BB8 (http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/81432925.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789215ABF3343C02EA54877F8F179101C8677241D42C94DE9F945A921804CC4AF7BB8)
The flowers at the medal ceremony covered more of her than the ""dress" did!!
http://www.zimbio.com/Elena+Grushina (http://www.zimbio.com/Elena+Grushina)
Sorry I don't know the answer to when the basic skills program started.
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According to the USFS 2009-2010 fact sheet, the Basic Skills program was set up in 1968. Sierra, the idea of a "Learn to Skate" program specifically designed for groups, with a group test ladder is an ISI (then called ISIA) innovation. But I see your point--perhaps I'm really just talking about LTS.
What year did USFS add free skating to its test structure and at what level?
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I found the "1968" year to be incredulous, but maybe the Basic Skills programs existed in Colorado, near the USFSA's home? From the 1970's to the 1990's, Basic Skills programs just didn't exist in the northeast. The standard-track tests were conducted by Clubs and almost every rink used an ISIA or homegrown LTS program. The USFSA must have made some change in the 1990's that made Basic Skills more affordable for the rinks since the turnover from ISI to USFSA has been incredible.
Total guess: The USFSA added Novice, Junior and Senior Freeskate to its test structure in the 1920's or 1930's. Prior to that, all competitions were open. That would explain "Novice" being so high in the current test structure and the three titles being so cohensive. (When I skated, Preliminary was the first freeskate test.)
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Total guess: The USFSA added Novice, Junior and Senior Freeskate to its test structure in the 1920's or 1930's. Prior to that, all competitions were open. That would explain "Novice" being so high in the current test structure and the three titles being so cohensive. (When I skated, Preliminary was the first freeskate test.)
Total guess but I know that when I skated in the '60s the first Freestyle test came at Novice and you had to pass the 6th Figure test first and then in the same test session, you took the accompanying freeskate (if you passed the figures earlier in the day) - if you did NOT pass the freeskate, you had to take the whole thing over, including the figures.
But I don't know when freeskate tests were first introduced but sometime before the 50s and not sure when the separated the figures from the freestyle tests since I stopped skating in 1968 and started again in the mid-80s when it was all separate.
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Isk8NYC-- I hear you with regard to USFS Basic Skills and ISI Group Lessons. I really thought Basic Skills was pretty recent; it certainly "took over" what ISI had been doing for years. I dunno--the 1968 date struck me as incredible too but it is cited on the USFS Fact Sheet for 2009-2010. I just wonder if they came up with some loose form of the program and only implemented it much much later.
According to Ellyn Kestnabum, "The USFSA did not include freestyle requirements in any of its tests until the 1960s, beginning with the eighth (senior) test and adding freestyle components to the sixth and seventh (junior) tests, and finally to the fourth (novice) test in 1970, before introducing a separate freestyle test stream at all levels in 1977-1978," [Culture on Ice, p. 83].
So *ding ding* Icedancer2-- ✔ you are; you need to ask a question, please!
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I started skating in the mid-70s and there was a USFSA basic skills program at our rink and had seemed pretty established, so 1968 may be right. I still have my LTS USFSA badges somewhere...
It was in the late 70s when the figures and FS tests were separated when the current FS test requirements were made. Prior to 1978 (?), the Senior FS test only had a single Axel on it.
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Prior to 1978 (?), the Senior FS test only had a single Axel on it.
The Senior FS test still only has "axel-type jump" required - you can do a single axel - and the highest double required is the double lutz - no required triples on that test.
What year were the MITF implemented?
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That's too hard!
My initial guess was the early 1990's, but I couldn't find a timeline anywhere to confirm that.
This site says 1994: http://www.margaretswinchoski.com/MS_Skating.html
How about a fun trivia question: how many times do your feet touch the ice during a side toe hop jump? (From entry to finish)
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Not counting the foot that is stood on before hopping, three times. Tap tap glide. It can be left foot tap, right foot tap left glide or right foot tap left foot tap right glide.
I should know-- I spent my summer practicing waltz side toe waltz!
Who is the oldest female singles skater to have competed at the Olympics?
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That's hard! (Wiki told me that Madge Syers was the oldest person to win a gold medal in ladies singles (age 27 in 1908), but I can't work out the oldest competitor.)
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The Senior FS test still only has "axel-type jump" required - you can do a single axel - and the highest double required is the double lutz - no required triples on that test.
Yes, but before 1978 (or 77 or 79), you didn't have to do a DOUBLE jump at ALL to pass Senior FS! :o
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Okay, moving right along...
Where will the 2011 US Adult Nationals be held?
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Salt Lake City, Utah.
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...next question...
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In the section here about Adult-skating references, it lists: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_figure_skating ,
which says that in the ISU Adult-age classification, the maximum age is 71.
Skater(s) can Not be older, to participate in those events? - or does it mean currently there's no such skaters older?
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It means that if you're over 71, you can't enter the ISU Adult Competitions.
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How many intro strokes are allowed on Moves patterns in the US? (For the ones that allow intro steps)
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How many intro strokes are allowed on Moves patterns in the US? (For the ones that allow intro steps)
It's a Maximum of 8 steps.
What are the elements in the Intermediate Freeskating Test?
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Jumps (8/men, 7/women)
Double lutz plus three other doubles or triples. Only one can be repeated in combos or sequences.
Two jump combinations
One axel type jump
Spins (3)
Flying spin of five or more revs
Spin combination w/ 1 min change of foot and 1 change of position.
(4 revs each position, min)
A straight line, circular, or serpentine step sequence to cover the ice.
How long does the skater have to wait for a USFSA retest?
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28 days.
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Next question, next question...
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It means that if you're over 71, you can't enter the ISU Adult Competitions.
Someone asked for the next question, so here it is: Who? decided that limit, based on what?, assumption?
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also, many Rules are shown as changing... like annually in Figureskating, is this true across the board?: ISI, & USFSA. - What factors determine these?
Thank you for your insights! :)
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The ISU sets the ISU rules for ISU competitions.
New QUICK Q&A question:
What's another name for a Loop jump?
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Bummping
"Rittenberger jump"
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"Rittenberger jump"
That would be a "Loop Jump" in certain parts of the world, named for it's creator, Werner Rittberger :)
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What's another name for a Loop jump?
"Rittenberger jump"
Correct!
That would be a "Loop Jump" in certain parts of the world, named for it's creator, Werner Rittberger
Yes, that was the original question!
Next question, next question ....
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FLYING SIT SPIN AND A DEATH DROP?
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It's a Maximum of 8 steps.
Actually there is a maximum of 7 intro steps allowed in the US MITF tests (on the ones that allow intro steps)-
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D'oh! I should have read the whole thread, huh :P
Difference between a death drop and a flying sit is the air position - death drop is horizontal (face down) while a flying sit isn't :)
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Also the death drop is open into a backspin.