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The Pro Shop / Re: Flat spot instead of spinning rocker?
« Last post by Bill_S on January 17, 2018, 02:37:03 PM »
You need better equipment pronto! A boot that is 10mm too long will never allow you to finesse anything, and learning new skills will not happen easily. Worse, you could learn bad habits compensating.

Your blades may have started with a worn spot where the spin rocker should be, and a normal resharpening won't fix that. It would take someone skilled enough to reshape your blade rocker, but you'll look long and hard to find that right person.

Your best bet is to replace what you have.
The Pro Shop / Flat spot instead of spinning rocker?
« Last post by SinusPi on January 17, 2018, 02:24:56 PM »
Greetings, everybody!

Perhaps you can shed some light on a recently discovered problem of mine.

My blades - Wilson Excel, of a very old series, over 15 years old, according to the producer! - have been sharpened recently, and appear to not have a spinning rocker, but a spinning FLAT instead. Maybe they were always this way? I couldn't tell, I'm a beginner, only learning my first spins. Anyway, right under the ball of the foot, or the middle support piece of the blade, where the blade's curvature should change from a wide curve (at the back) to a narrower curve (at the front) (I'm checking this by reflecting a lamp in the blade, they use this technique to check car paint smoothness, so why not blade curvatures?), the blade gets briefly but noticeably flatter. And, if I hold it just right, I can balance a pencil on that spot, in a way that has it resting securely without wobbling to the sides, something not possible at any other point on the blade. I'm no expert, but these observations should prove that there's a flat spot going on.

It probably doesn't help that I have boots 10mm too long (305 instead of 295) and I have some trouble digging my toe picks into the ice without feeling my heel starting to slide out of the boot, just a bit, but enough to be uncomfortable. So, I can't seem to reliably find that "sweet spot" for spinning, and I end up spinning on the middle of the blade - otherwise my drag picks start digging into the ice and the spin is gone.

My question is thus: am I allowed to blame my abysmal spinning skills on lack of spin rocker on my blade, and complain to the sharpening service, or on the boot that's 10mm too big, or should it be just fine and I should just get a grip and practice more? :P
Sitting on the Boards Rink Side / Re: 2018 Skating Resolutions
« Last post by alejeather on January 17, 2018, 12:23:06 PM »
It's been a while since I've set skating resolutions, but here's what I want to do this year:

- Put axel back into competition
- Get spins counted in IJS program
- Take and pass Foxtrot (and maybe European)
- Sew a skating dress
Sitting on the Boards Rink Side / Re: 2018 Skating Resolutions
« Last post by davincisop on January 17, 2018, 10:00:31 AM »
- Pass Adult Silver
- Pass Adult Gold
- Get Gold Medalist Jacket
- Pass Juvenile
- Start Intermediate

- Test Ten Fox
- Test European Waltz
- Get comfortable with foxtrot and fourteenstep
- Get the tuck behind
- Soft knees, nice flow, good rise and fall

- Get a nice scratch back on my dance blades
- Back spin
- Camel Spin
- Sit Spin
- Start combination spins

- Get PSA membership renewed (just waiting on client paychecks then I can do this)
- Attend PSA conference
- Soft knees
- Better posture
- Deep Edges
- Confidence
Sitting on the Boards Rink Side / Re: UK test levels
« Last post by beginner skater on January 17, 2018, 06:12:34 AM »
There's a fb group called questions for the NISA board, it actually looks like a rebel grp about NiSA management  but it has a lot of v informed people and I have seen similar questions there  and advice given. HTH
Sitting on the Boards Rink Side / Re: UK test levels
« Last post by lyssykw on January 17, 2018, 01:33:03 AM »
Thanks guys! Yes, I have contacted NISA, just awaiting a response. I need something fairly official to present as proof for coaching accreditation.
I do have a record of the tests that I took, but it's just an email with abbreviated descriptions of the levels, so I thought I may need to find out what the levels mean now.
The Pro Shop / Re: Some people prefer soft, worn out rental skates...
« Last post by Query on January 16, 2018, 03:32:45 PM »
The new Jackson rentals actually look like pretty good boots, except that they only come in one shape, and are not heat moldable (of course). I also think they could be better padded. I like the padding on high end Jackson competitive boot lines. But, alas, high end competitive level boots might not have been within our rental boot budget.

Getting back to casual skaters, hopefully the day will soon come where rental boot technology gets to the point where comfort and a minimum level of support will come hand in hand.

At least major one hockey company (CCM) makes boots with inflatable liners that mold to customers' feet. (The CCM inflatable lines are called "pump boots".)

They were also available in beginner level figure skates. I don't know if they still are made.

I'm not exactly sure why they weren't super-popular, but would guess that they were much more expensive, too complicated, therefore unreliable, and that many customers didn't figure out how to use them.

Sloppy boot fit (even if comfortable) probably contributes to some of the falls and accidents seen at crowded public sessions.

Not  probably - definitely, almost all rink injuries, at least for newbies.

For a few months, I checked how tight the laces were tied on everyone coming onto the rink during my watch. There were NO injuries on my watch during that time. And, except for some very young kids, almost no one had major problems staying balanced. Then someone complained, a supervisor chewed me out, so I stopped checking, except what is very obvious to look at. (Incidentally, when I was checking, I found that at least 95% of newbies tied quite loose.) At this point, about the most I can do is tell people who important it is to tie tight, and demonstrate how to tie tight - but some people ignore me, and fall a lot and/or get hurt.

I've come to the conclusion that if you have a sports establishment, to make people happy, you have to give them the freedom to make mistakes - and some of them do dumb things and get avoidably hurt. Because it is human nature to object to being told what to do uninvited.

Kind of like motorcycle helmet laws.

But this is getting off topic. I was just shocked that our most worn out, broken down 20-30 year old rental skates are what make some people the happiest.
Sitting on the Boards Rink Side / Re: 2018 Skating Resolutions
« Last post by icepixie on January 16, 2018, 09:01:28 AM »
Have a pair of skates that fit, don't hurt too much, and aren't broken down so that I can actually skate.  Anything else is gravy.
The Pro Shop / Re: Some people prefer soft, worn out rental skates...
« Last post by icedancer on January 15, 2018, 09:57:31 PM »
Well skates in general are much stiffer than they used to be!!!

I had wondered about those newer rentals - they look great because they are not all floppy like the old rentals - but I had heard that they are really not that comfortable so maybe those floppy skates were better I don't know.

The Pro Shop / Re: Some people prefer soft, worn out rental skates...
« Last post by tstop4me on January 15, 2018, 07:38:41 PM »
This contradicts many people's theory that all skates should be fairly stiff.
Not sure who these "many people" are.  Certainly not the major manufacturers (excluding specialized companies catering to only elite skaters), which produce lines of boots with a wide range of stiffness, to suit different disciplines and different levels of expertise.

Also agree with lutefisk:  What generalizations are you trying to conclude from casual skaters offerred a limited choice of rentals (a crappy stiff boot vs a crappy soft boot)?
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