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If the toes are usually the problem and Jackson does toes well for her, I'd take a good look at what she 'hates' about Jackson and see if a custom or semi custom jackson boot would fix any of that.  My thing when looking is to find a brand that fits the problem area well - for me it's the same, the toe box, so Jackson it is for me - and work around the other issues.  Also, have you looked at Gam?  Because the fit is very similar.

In terms of Harlick, are you using X-line?  (I think that's what it's called... Harlick's version of rounded toe box...)

Are you close enough to any of the skate companies to go and have a fitting with them?  Don't limit yourself to thinking of companies like Harlick who specialize in customs... most will do custom skates... so if you're close enough it could be worth the trip to see an expert.  You can also look and see if there are any big skating events around you. The boot makers all usually go though I'm thinking you've probably missed the season for this.

Boot issues are a pain.  It took me trying almost every brand before I settled on Jackson.  And even with Jackson, it took a few pairs to find a length and width that worked for me.  Good luck!
The Pro Shop / Heel lifting in Ice Flies
« Last post by Christy on January 22, 2018, 01:37:45 PM »
I have just got a new pair of Edea Ice Flies as my old ones are starting to break down so I want to break the new pair in before they are totally necessary. The new pair are identical to my old pair in terms of size, blade, etc. however I am having problems that I didn't have when breaking in the original pair:

- I have now tried the original Edea insoles plus 3 pairs of yellow Superfeet and no matter what I do the inside of my heel is sitting on the side of the boot and my heel lifts when I lift the skate off the ice. It's causing pain in a muscle from knee to ankle on the outside of that leg because the foot is twisted. At first I thought the lining was bunching up but have moved it around and there's no change

- on the left boot the blade is on a temporary mount, but the sole isn't flat and there's a fairly big gap between the blade and the sole. I'll try to upload a picture later but I know there have been some issues with Edea recently so wondering if anyone else has had this problem
Sitting on the Boards Rink Side / Re: 2018 Skating Resolutions
« Last post by Nate on January 22, 2018, 02:58:50 AM »
Using another post as a template, cause I like the formatting.

My goals for 2018...

1) Posture
2) Confidence
3) Speed/Power in stroking

1) Inside Turns
2) Speed, Power and Alignment improvements

1) Polish up Axel
2) Consistent Doubles
3) “Rotate” a Triple
4) Alignment/Air Position
5) Double-Double Combination

1) Centering....
2) Back Spins

1) Consistent off-ice workouts (yoga, the gym, etc.)
2) Consistent stretching routine
3) Strengthen my core
4) Moves And FS Tests through Gold
5) Compete at least once

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(a) I took a poll of people's experiences with custom boots.  Few responses, only Harlick and SP-Teri:

(b) You said the major problem appears to be with the toe box.  The Jackson toe box allowed proper clearance, but the heel was too wide.  Was that a stock Jackson, or a custom Jackson?  With a custom, Jackson should be able to get the heel as narrow as needed.
Sitting on the Boards Rink Side / Re: Rinks in Chicago
« Last post by Nate on January 21, 2018, 06:35:02 PM »
Andersonville area.

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Sitting on the Boards Rink Side / Re: Rinks in Chicago
« Last post by Clarice on January 21, 2018, 06:12:29 PM »
You're going to have to give people a more specific idea of exactly where you will be in Chicago. There is only one rink in the city proper - McFetridge - but there are suburban rinks all over the place.
Sitting on the Boards Rink Side / Rinks in Chicago
« Last post by Nate on January 21, 2018, 04:15:09 PM »
Anyone know of a decent rink in Chicago that has Freestyle sessions, and allows walk-ons?  Think I'm going to be visiting soon and want to have a bit of an idea of what I'm going to be skating while I'm there.
I cannot tell you how much I dislike boots, and I am soooo jealous of those who buy a pair of stock boots and move on with life. Boot problems have impacted my daughter's skating success because she is always struggling. She says, if my feet didn't hurt so much, I would skate more and be better. I agree 100% with that statement and it is so frustrating. AAHHH  >:( :'( >:(.

We are on her second pair of custom Harlicks. She has had them for one year with a love/hate relationship. They work more than any other boot, but she still has issues. I think she has grown just a smidgen but enough to be really uncomfortable and it is time to make a decision on what next. Part of the problem is that they can never seem to round out the toes enough. They are wide at the ball, but then they narrow at the tip of the toe and I think that is causing inflammation at the big toe joint and arches. Jackson rounds the toe all the way out and that shape works better, but the actual boots cause her more pain than any others, we've tried two pairs and she absolutely hates them. Plus, they can't get the heal narrow enough. Edeas sort of work if we order the D width, punch out the toes and squeeze the heal, but the plastic sole and heal height don't work for her and she has cramping no matter which insole we put in there. We haven't tried SP-Teri, Avanta, or custom Riedells.

I'm just not sure what to do. Take a risk that one of the other boots will be able to get all the parts right but maybe have it flop. Or do we order another pair of Harlicks knowing they aren't going to get the toe rounded out enough.

Has anyone ordered fully custom Riedell skates? We are in Northern Illinois so I could drive to Riedell in Minnesota to be directly measured rather than going through a fitter. Avanta with their casting process actually seems like the best option, but I have heard that either they get it really right or they get it really wrong - a skater at our rink had some made and she couldn't wear them at all but then some online reviews say they are miracle boots. What to do, what to do???
The Pro Shop / Re: Flat spot instead of spinning rocker?
« Last post by ChristyRN on January 20, 2018, 08:03:50 PM »
When a skater wears a boot that is too long, the rocker is mounted too far forward, usually under the toes unless the skater has a gap at the heel.  That usually results in the skater tripping/dragging the toepick and spinning either on the flat area behind the rocker if they balance the ball of their foot, or on the toepick because finding the sweet spot under your toes is almost impossible.  If you re-read the original post, that's exactly what's happening.

Get boots that fit with blades that are the right size.  You may not be able to move the blades to the new boots because they may not fit properly.

And, speaking from experience, this is a *terrible* bad habit to have to re-learn. I spent 12 years in too-big skates before I had my feet measured and was properly fitted with a shorter split-last boot. Twelve years. Nearly four years later, I haven't unlearned/relearned how to spin on a rocker that isn't underneath my toes anymore. I try to find the sweet spot and almost immediately go up on my toe picks.

Please listen to the advice you've been given and get boots that fit. You won't regret it.
Off-Ice Training for Skaters / Ballet vs skating Spinners
« Last post by laraxsha on January 20, 2018, 10:12:43 AM »
So my coach told us to buy a spinner to help with our training, however where I live they're not very easy to buy/very expensive. So I was wondering what is the difference between dance and skating spinners? Would I be able to use a dance spinner instead?? as they are much cheaper. And if not what are the best brands or types of spinners to get

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