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Events for Skaters / Re: Lake Placid Adult Camps
« Last post by skategeek on August 12, 2017, 05:51:35 PM »
Hi! :) Is anyone going to the August Camp? I will be there on Thurs, Fri and Sat. (Wish I could get more time off work.)

Probably not, because I have a bunch of other stuff going on that week now.   :(  Someone else from my rink may be going, though.
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The Pro Shop / Sore Feet
« Last post by cameocooper on August 12, 2017, 01:08:28 AM »
I have just received my new skates, Riedell Motion, I have just wore them sitting on the sofa, to stay breaking them in, I generally don't have issues breaking in skates, but these seem to be hurting in the arch of my left foot, just the left, the right is fine. Is this a sign of them being too narrow, or is the arch too high or low for me.

There is no pro shop near, so brought online, but I can get my rink to bake them for me.

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Events for Skaters / Re: Lake Placid Adult Camps
« Last post by Pandora on August 11, 2017, 08:03:54 PM »
Hi! :) Is anyone going to the August Camp? I will be there on Thurs, Fri and Sat. (Wish I could get more time off work.)
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I've been doing a little reading on this topic.

I'm not medically trained, so don't take this as certain. I am trying to use qualified medical sources of info, but that doesn't mean they are all correct. I would love feedback from someone with appropriate medical training.

Unfortunately, many sources say that you can be genetically predisposed to having hernias, just like other injuries. But some things can still be done.

https://phelpshospital.org/clinical-services/hernia says:

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It isn’t always possible to prevent the muscle weakness that leads to the occurrence of a hernia, but it is possible to reduce strain, which will help to avoid a hernia or keep an existing one from getting worse. The following suggestions may help to reduce strain:

    *do not lift weights that are too heavy for you
    *when lifting, bend your knees, keep your back straight, and tighten your abdomen
    *maintain a healthy body weight
    *avoid straining during bowel movements or urination
    *see your doctor when you have a bad cold or flu to avoid developing a persistent cough

http://www.webmd.com/digestive-disorders/understanding-hernia-basics (caution: anatomical diagrams are not child friendly) says

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Anything that causes an increase in pressure in the abdomen can cause a hernia, including:

    *Lifting heavy objects without stabilizing the abdominal muscles
    *Diarrhea or constipation
    *Persistent coughing or sneezing

In addition, obesity, poor nutrition, and smoking, can all weaken muscles and make hernias more likely.

I've tried to understand how to better "stabilize the abdominal muscles". Apparently, humans normally instinctively tense our abdominal muscles,  back muscles, and many other core muscles in general, any time we lift something, or bend over (like "spiral" and "arabesque" poses). This is generally believed to do two things:

1. It allows the body to move more efficiently. Stabilizing (largely immobilizing) one set of muscles and joints lets other muscles move other joints much more efficiently.

I know this works to a considerable extent. For example, the closest I have come to a successful skating spin, without travel, is when I first tighten and stabilize a long line of muscle from the free leg, diagonally on up to the opposite shoulder. (Shoulder-to-shoulder stabilization, and outer abdominal region stabilization have been less successful, at least for me.)

Again, in kayak paddling, you literally use several times less energy, and paddle several times longer without tiring, and have several times more effective strength when you need it, if you use arm and upper body muscles to stabilize (almost completely immobilize) your arm, elbow and shoulder joints (but elbows should almost never be quite be fully locked straight, because that can cause other injuries). This allows you to instead move efficiently by twisting around the waist, and twisting and rotating upper spinal joints to tilt the paddle side to side, all using abdominal, back, leg and oblique muscles. To an extent this is an opposite set of muscles that are stabilized vs moved, but the principle is still the same.

2. As mentioned in the above two medical sources, tensing strong abdominal muscles, before lifting weights, or going into one leg standing, one leg lift poses (like spiral and arabesque poses), are believed to help prevent hernias. (That, along with back muscle stabilization, is also advocated for preventing spinal injuries, but that is off-topic for me.) (However there are other medical sources that say that there is insufficient medical study evidence to support the core-stabilization injury prevention model at this time.)

And here I depart from established medical sources: Several less reliable sources say that before doing any hard core strength training involving lifts (of weights or one leg standing, one leg lift poses), you should first start with many months on a long-term training program to strengthen abdominal muscles (along with back muscles, for spinal injuries). Until they are strong, so many non-authoritative sources say, you shouldn't work to strengthen the other muscles, because of the possibility of injury. Of course Spirals, Arabesques and other standing leg lift poses strengthen abdominal and back muscles too - but they also use the internal (farthest from the skin) muscles which create the problem by exerting forces on the abdominal walls, and therefore should not be done until the abdominal and back muscles are strong.

Weight training belts (which go around the abdomen and/or back) are often sold which claim to help support the abdomen (and back, to protect the spine - but that is off-topic for me). However, several sources, like

  http://www.livestrong.com/article/438988-exercise-belts-for-hernia-prevention/ (not an authoritative medical source!)

say that they are of questionable value - that you should instead provide the support by strengthening the relevant muscles. They say that belts may cause injury by giving you the illusion of adequate support, and tempt you to try things you aren't ready for.
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With regard to the 40-year old boots - they may have been in okay shape!  I can tell you that I wish I had boots like my old boots from 30 years ago (also SP Teri) because they do NOT make boots like that anymore!!

The leather might be okay, but I'd be concerned about the lining. And would want to check under the blades to see the condition of the soles.

I've got a custom saddle from the 1920's. The leather is fine, but the stuffing has to be replaced every 20 years or so.
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With regard to the 40-year old boots - they may have been in okay shape!  I can tell you that I wish I had boots like my old boots from 30 years ago (also SP Teri) because they do NOT make boots like that anymore!! 

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Yesterday I was talking to a woman at the rink that was rather tentative on the ice. She is currently in Adult 1, but skated/competed as a kid and teenager.
She started skating again because her grand daughter is in Basic Skills and privates. It has been over 40 years since she was last on the ice.

She has seen the grandfathering chart and said she has passed 3rd Figure which would put her at Intermediate. She laughed at the idea of skating Intermediate.

Is she "stuck" with having to compete at Intermediate if she did wish to start competing again?

Aside: She has some low level Jackson boots for now, but is looking to move up. She said she had $1500 custom Sp Teri boots but her daughter had thrown them out when because she never used them.
But I wonder at the condition of 40+ year old boots, plus the boots she used at the Intermediate level probably aren't the best to go back into Adult 1 with.

Fortunately, there are plenty of adult skaters in the same boat, especially in the higher age classes.  50-year old Intermediate level skaters are not doing the same jumps and spins as the Intermediate level kids.  I'd recommend setting her sights on a showcase type program, since it's only 1:40 and there aren't any minimum technical requirements for the program content.  The program would fall under one of two categories:  Light Entertainment or Dramatic.
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Yesterday I was talking to a woman at the rink that was rather tentative on the ice. She is currently in Adult 1, but skated/competed as a kid and teenager.
She started skating again because her grand daughter is in Basic Skills and privates. It has been over 40 years since she was last on the ice.

She has seen the grandfathering chart and said she has passed 3rd Figure which would put her at Intermediate. She laughed at the idea of skating Intermediate.

Is she "stuck" with having to compete at Intermediate if she did wish to start competing again?

Aside: She has some low level Jackson boots for now, but is looking to move up. She said she had $1500 custom Sp Teri boots but her daughter had thrown them out when because she never used them.
But I wonder at the condition of 40+ year old boots, plus the boots she used at the Intermediate level probably aren't the best to go back into Adult 1 with.

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BUT according to this chart you've linked Doubletoe I would have to take FS tests to compete in FS at all!

Good thing I'm not a freestyle skater because this would really piss me off if I had to take FS tests!! 

Back in the day you didn't do FS tests until Novice and then it was linked with the figures - so 6th figure test was Novice and you had to do the figures (and pass) and then do the FS.  If you subsequently failed the FS you had to do the whole thing over - it was really hard and a HUGE accomplishment to get through your Senior Tests!!

Note that the very first link I posted (the new chart) supersedes the one I posted later.  According to the new chart, if you passed your 1st figure test prior to 1977 it would be considered the same as having passed the Pre-Juvenile FS test, which qualifies you to compete at Adult Silver without having to take any other tests.  If you *did* want to take the next test in the series, it would be Adult Gold MIF or Juvenile MIF, your choice.  After passing one of those, you could take the Adult Gold FS test.
P.S. USFS wouldn't let you compete in Pre-Juvenile if you tried. . . not if you're old enough to have even *existed* in 1977, LOL!
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The Pro Shop / Re: How long should laces last
« Last post by AgnesNitt on August 06, 2017, 09:28:50 PM »
I use the Edea lacing pattern. If it was only re-tying once that would be fine but last week it started to be a case of retying then the laces starting to loosen again within 30 minutes.

I don't know if this would help, but a long time ago I saw a demo on youtube of tying your skates. The demo recommended rather that pulling 'up', to pull 'out' or even 'down'. It took me some tries to get this because pulling 'up' is easy. I now pull 'out' and don't pull 'up' until I get to the ankle. I no longer have to retie my laces during a skate.

Also, I have harlick laces. I think they're nylon-cotton mix and wear like iron.
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