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On the Ice => Sitting on the Boards Rink Side => Topic started by: jjane45 on August 29, 2010, 12:28:41 AM
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LOL so I was at practice tonight and a friend did something like lunge into a sit spin attempt. I tried it myself and man it's so wild / weird / crazy / out of control that I don't know if it's possible at all! It's a lot of fun, but definitely not working for neither of us yet! On the other hand, lunge into an upright spin was not that bad.
So yeah, what are your favorite "I am having fun fooling around" attempts or tricks? I am still trying to figure out if it's possible to do a forward 3 turn in shoot the duck position! ;D
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I am still trying to figure out if it's possible to do a forward 3 turn in shoot the duck position! ;D
I used to do them on roller skates during shoot the duck contests on the public sessions. I would bet they can be done on ice too; but it's probably much more difficult. I like to have fun doing F power pulls to whatever rhythm is in the music. Not original, but fun.
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All I have to say is that you must have pretty good knees. I'm just happy to be on the ice any way I can. It's all about having fun, right?
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I have no tricks at all. But I just love to spin. If things are going bad for me- scratch spin it is. I like to play with my arms in different positions and pretend I look like a graceful olympian (instead of probably just silly).
Last time I was on a public session I did some scratch spins for my nephew (2 yrs) to watch. I got off the ice and DH said "You traveled like crazy, but every little girl on the ice just stopped and stared at you." That really made my day (except maybe the traveling part...) I remember being that little girl, wondering how they spun so fast.
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I love to fool around with footwork/figures "tricks" like long one-foot footwork or Maltese Crosses and really bad attempts at grapevines (pretty much each foot doing different footwork simultaneously)
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I'm usually a lot more focused on ice than I am on rollers, most of the fooling around happens on rollers. Occasionally, I discover new stuff that way - learning to spin on them happened by accident from some mohawks and attempts at a spread eagle inside-edged.
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Old, odd, unusual jumps..... Bockel (inside axel), Coolege (one foot axel), Bockey? (inside axel with inner back landing so, basically bockel +coolege)... Wish I could do a decent walley (sigh)... :-[
For spins...Anything "weird." Traveling Camel, Hillary Camel (easy for ex-roller); strange combos (ie. L sit with inverted tuck, holding tuck position/skate blade up into L catch camel. Cool. 8)) I also want to try to figure out some way of flying into the forward camel. Not sure how to do this.... ??? But would love to figure out somethng.... Any suggestions?
I also like to copy slides. I can do the twisting one and the one with one leg out straight, and the knee bend one, but there are so many cool ones out there... Weir's backbend (not in my lifetime) and Yaugudin's slide on one elbow....WOW!! :o (Again, not in my lifetime...) :D
P.S. I was sorry to hear about your forum. :-[
But it's great that you started another one. I meet some of you at LP adult camp and had a really good time. I am glad that you have a new forum. :)
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All I have to say is that you must have pretty good knees.
Hah! I used to, before all those #@*^ shoot the ducks, that no one knew were bad for us back then in the 60's.
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All I have to say is that you must have pretty good knees.
Hah! I used to, before all those #@*^ shoot the ducks, that no one knew were bad for us back then in the 60's.
shoot the ducks are bad for you? I see kids doing them all the time at my rink...
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Hah! I used to, before all those #@*^ shoot the ducks, that no one knew were bad for us back then in the 60's.
Thanks so much for your reminder! I am certainly trying to baby my knees / ankles / hips such that they don't come back to bite me in the decades to come. Bodies can only take so much abuse, after all!
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All I have to say is that you must have pretty good knees.
Hah! I used to, before all those #@*^ shoot the ducks, that no one knew were bad for us back then in the 60's.
shoot the ducks are bad for you? I see kids doing them all the time at my rink...
Eh, depends really. Shoot-the-ducks are essentially one-legged squats. There's a "right" way to do squats which is safe, and a "wrong" way which will ruin your knees very, very fast. Difference is the position of your knee versus the position of your toes. You can google about that. Anyhow, my observation, for MY knees: back shoot-the-ducks (hydroblades?) and sit spins are fine, forward ones kill my knees too. One or two is ok but doing them practice after practice, well my body quickly started to object. Which is why I stopped doing the forward ones after I tested them and now can't do one for my life.
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Hah! I used to, before all those #@*^ shoot the ducks, that no one knew were bad for us back then in the 60's.
shoot the ducks are bad for you? I see kids doing them all the time at my rink...
Deep knee bends are bad for the knees. Shoot the ducks are one legged deep knee bends. SillyAdultSkater (SAS) says there is a right way to do them. I haven't heard that, but it's certainly worth a google or two as she suggests.
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I like to play with hydroblades (backwards in a circle). While I'm sure it's nowhere near what I want it to look like (a la Matt Savoie) I'll get it low enough one of these days. I would also like to do a butterfly (like in a footwork sequence), but I need to get comfy with them off-ice first (did gymnastics as a kid, including an aerial, which is pretty much what a butterfly is).
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LOL so I was at practice tonight and a friend did something like lunge into a sit spin attempt. I tried it myself and man it's so wild / weird / crazy / out of control that I don't know if it's possible at all! It's a lot of fun, but definitely not working for neither of us yet! On the other hand, lunge into an upright spin was not that bad.
I do lunge into sit spin and lunge into camel. Canadian skater Nicole Watt did lunge-camel and inspired my attempts. So, yes, it is very possible. I also teach skaters to do lunge-upright. I find it helps them to achieve the deep knee bend they need to center. See the spin clinic thread.
To Pandora: to do a flying forward sit, watch Ilia Klimkin. He does a back camel, jump forward camel. A few yrs ago, I worked on a flying forward camel entered from a FI3, jump, land in forward camel. Both of these are very difficult, IMO.
Kay
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Haha, great to know, Kay! Thanks everyone for your input.
Practicing in public sessions seems to bring out the wilder side of me...
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I like to play with hydroblades (backwards in a circle). While I'm sure it's nowhere near what I want it to look like (a la Matt Savoie) I'll get it low enough one of these days.
I can do great forward hydroblades, but I can't seem to lay down on the ice doing the back ones without actually falling over sideways--my coach was speculating that I have trouble getting a deep enough outside edge, partly because my feet pronate.
Latest trick tried was a waltz-toe loop-loop. Not necessarily fun for someone who hates jumping but it was interesting!
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Kay,
Thanks for the info on Klimkin. :-)
I watched quite a few of his vids....Nice flying spins. And can spin in both directions.....WOW!! :o
Also, found the flying forward camel at 0.55.
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Yes, I see what you mean about it being nasty...
It looks evil. :laugh:
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Anyone ever tried a forwards-to-backwards lunge into a split? I've seen girls at my rink do this. While in the backward lunge they simply drop the front leg into a split. I haven't gotten the turning to backwards part yet.
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I could totally see that split from a back lunge! Maybe one day in the distant future :)
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Anyone ever tried a forwards-to-backwards lunge into a split? I've seen girls at my rink do this. While in the backward lunge they simply drop the front leg into a split. I haven't gotten the turning to backwards part yet.
Not tried the split bit (my legs don't go there), but I got the forwards to backwards bit with an inside 3turn. Never worked out how to manage an outside 3 from a lunge.
I've also never worked out how to get into a backwards lunge without 3turning from forwards! That's next on my want list (along with ina bauers and spreadeagles and other stuff they don't teach but you're meant to pick up).
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I've also never worked out how to get into a backwards lunge without 3turning from forwards! That's next on my want list
Someone on the old board gave a great tip on this: Stand facing the boards, hold on get into lunge position, then whack the ice hard several times with the inside of your free foot boot. This helps you get the feel for orienting your free foot, and thus not catching the blade, when lowering down into the back lunge.
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Bumping another old post.
A new addition from public sessions include hydroblade into half flip, but attempts to add a real flip always result in flops.
Also trying to hold the free leg blade during one-foot upright spin, but sigh my free leg is heavier than I think!
(My knee does not like sit spins and shoot the ducks are dramatically reduced)
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I have a back inside hydroblade into a loop in my program. When it works it's impressive but sometimes I get a head rush while I'm coming up into the set position!!
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We were doing waltz jumps over the cones the other night.
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I was practicing all the elements from the prepreliminary freestyle test in my opposite direction. I'd say they're all borderline -- recognizable beginner attempts. The toe loop and salchow would need some more practice to actually leave the ice enough.
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I was working on my bronze moves today and then some bronze freestyle when I decided that it'd be a great idea to try a hydroplane.
Good news? I can get pretty low before I fall.
Bad news? I'm testing bronze moves in the morning and I'm so sore!
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I have a back inside hydroblade into a loop in my program. When it works it's impressive but sometimes I get a head rush while I'm coming up into the set position!!
Loop as in the jump or the figure? A hydroblade loop figure would be amazing...
I can do a very fast chest-level "detroiter" with my partner which gets a lot of attention on publics! Unfortunately it's the opposite direction to how I usually rotate (mirror pair) and as a result get very dizzy... I think we'll put it at the end of our programme when I am allowed to collapse "artistically" :D
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Haha I think it's a hydroblade into loop jump. What is a hydroplane?
I've discovered that outside spread eagle in deep squat works very nicely for me. In the normal position I worry about extended knees, pushing hips forward etc. and slow down significantly, but in this deep squat position I glide so fast at times it was freaky.
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My bad. Hydroblade. :) it was late when I typed that. Lol.
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Here is a thread with hydroblade tips.
http://skatingforums.com/index.php/topic,635.0.html
There is a girl at my rink with her upper body horizontal to the ice during inside hydroblade. It's a beauty to watch.
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My bad. Hydroblade. :) it was late when I typed that. Lol.
I make that mistake all the time, too.
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I've discovered that outside spread eagle in deep squat works very nicely for me. In the normal position I worry about extended knees, pushing hips forward etc. and slow down significantly, but in this deep squat position I glide so fast at times it was freaky.
Turns out it was probably an outside besti squat. And saw photos of cantilever on Wikipedia. Wow, just wow.
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Turns out it was probably an outside besti squat. And saw photos of cantilever on Wikipedia. Wow, just wow.
My coach does an amazing cantilever. I'm just too chicken to try. I'd rather have an ordinary spread than a cantilever.
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A teenager I used to skate with occasionally explained the cantilever to me--she thought because I can lay flat on the ice during my hydroblade I should be able to do the cantilever. I just could not bring myself to even TRY to bend over backward in the low position--I was sure every ligament in my knees would pop out of place!!
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New trick: half salchow.
Attempt a single salchow in your opposite direction, get the takeoff right, then pop the rotation, land forward and fall painfully on your butt.
Look over to see opposite direction skater friend laughing hysterically at your poor attempt at lefty skating.
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Latest trick that I can now actually DO on the ice (yay, 'cause it took a long time to master) is a variation on a Charlotte, but instead of keeping the free leg up in split position, I bend at the knee so my skate is over my head and looks like a scorpion's tail, and then I arch my back to look up. I usually do it while gliding backwards, but I can do it forward too--it's just scarier!
We call it the Scorpion.
Here's me practicing it at home back in November 2009, pre back surgery, before I could do it on the ice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSl7q3SGSHg
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Surprising success on this sequence: back outside shoot-the-duck, change foot into back inside hydroblade, change foot again into (very slow) back outside spiral. Actually feels decent when I don't splat on the spiral :D
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Isn't all figure skating "tricks"?
I like to play with all the arm and body motions my ice dance instructors have told me I shouldn't do, and exaggerate them to make them more dramatic. Not a real trick - freestyle skaters do it all the time.
Ice dances progressing clockwise instead of counter-clockwise about the rink.
Moon-walking. In my case, pushing my feet diagonally sideways and forwards to move forwards, or diagonally sideways and backwards to move backwards.
The moves where you pivot about a hand while doing forwards or backwards crossovers. Stole that one from a coach. Still can't do the other trick that coach made his classes do, where he spun on the back end of the blade.
Land style grapevines - toe on ice, extending sideways, other toe on ice crossed in front, extend sideways in point again, other heel on ice behind (to make it harder), repeat.
But I'm too old to do any real tricks. Wish I could do the things you real skaters can do.
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Query, that sounds really cool! I still have not learned moon-walking yet, it's very popular with the flood of MJ programs!!
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I have a back inside hydroblade into a loop in my program. When it works it's impressive but sometimes I get a head rush while I'm coming up into the set position!!
Now that loop became my best jump maybe I could try this!! For CCW is it LBI then step on RBO and jump? And LBI directly into salchow or flip?
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I enjoy spread eagle into Lutz and Bauer into double Salchow.
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Isn't all figure skating "tricks"?
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But I'm too old to do any real tricks. Wish I could do the things you real skaters can do.
Yes, most of them are "tricks"
And give me a break...you are NOT too old lol! Two of the ladies in my skating group JUST got their flip & salchow and they are 55+ and 60+ respectively; one of the gentlemen I skate pairs with occasionally is 70+
so stop it! ;D
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Now that loop became my best jump maybe I could try this!! For CCW is it LBI then step on RBO and jump? And LBI directly into salchow or flip?
LBI hydroblade, then come up, step onto RBO and jump! (for loop)
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Back when I had a decent camel spin, I used to play with the catch foot, those spins that look like a rose. I suppose an "almost" beillman but sideways. I'll eventually get my camel spin back and try it again. Someday.
I like my turn out and love doing outside spread eagles. Bauers are also quite fun. Or headless scratch spins.
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I can't do it, but illusion spin is one of my favourites (it's also a fav of my first coach, who can do fab ones)
A skater I know has ina bauer into double loop in her program, which sounds cool
Actual ones that I can do, I like bunny hop, spiral, drag in combination, like attempting forwards-backwards drags, but only on smooth ice cause i always fall lol!
It's not really a trick, but the hip twists exercise from a high level field moves (I think it's some sort of back double three, jump into the air, twist your hips, land on the same foot thing...) looks really fun too!
Upright spin with a broomstick also good lol, that was for a show!
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Running my test program today, and brain got confused whether it's lunge or bauer that follows the salchow. Well it gave me a hybrid! I splat and went back doing it over and over, and officially have a decent enough lunge into ina bauer!!!! :) If coach does not object it will be part of my program: waltz - toe, waltz 3, salchow, 2 forward strokes, lunge into bauer, set and toe loop :)
The move does put a lot of pressure on left knee (lunge goes lower than my usual bauer) and right hip...
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For some reason forward-to-backward lunges scare me to death. My coach forced me to try one once, and I fell pretty hard on my arm, so that didn't help. Any tips? I know it's just a 3-turn...I guess I just need to do it.
I don't have a lot of "fooling around" things, but I love doing backward shoot-the-ducks. I also love, love, love doing a scratch spin and grabbing my blade and pulling it up as I'm spinning, although I'm only successful about half the time.
And if I'm feeling gutsy and the ice is pretty smooth, I'll do lunges and then slide on my knee.
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I think forward to backward lunges are scary because there is very little control of direction once one is going backward. Also the falls can be awkward.
I still think the back lunge into split sierra mentioned would be very neat way to end a program! :)
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Loop jump, sink from landing edge into (half-hearted) back outside shoot the duck, rise up and another loop jump. Is this a sequence or combination jump? The first half is not exactly working yet (has to do with checking I am sure), but the second half is consistent. :D