What is missing?

[hopskipjump]

I've noticed when a skater does a jump (any jump), when they land they either glide out of the jump or they come almost to a stand still.  In my untrained eye, both skaters did the same exact jump...so why are some able to glide and others have to push to move again?

[nicklaszlo]

Excessive dragging of the toepick.  Underrotation.  Only pushing down and not forward on the takeoff.

Often jumps are learned with a stationary or slow landing, so that underrotations are less dangerous.

[jjane45]

Personally, my jumps come to a dead stop if I have an excessive forward hunch.

[hopskipjump]

Thanks!

[Nate]

If the skater lands on a flat it may kill their speed.  A lot of beginners do this to prevent falling.

[fsk8r]

I can also kill my speed just before take off by dragging the toe-pick. As it's just before take-off it's sometimes not noticed by my coach until there's no landing edge. I know what I'm doing and I know it's wrong, but sometimes I'm just a little too fast for comfort.

[turnip]

My coach is constantly telling me to stop dragging my toepick into jumps!

[fsk8r]

My coach is constantly telling me to stop dragging my toepick into jumps!

If you're not terrified of the speed you're going, a technique one coach told me was to think about making the jump quieter. You should be able to just slightly adjust what you're doing so you're off the toe-pick that way. But quite often it's caused by the hunching forwards that JJane refers to.

[1210]

Excessive dragging of the toepick.  Underrotation.  Only pushing down and not forward on the takeoff.

Often jumps are learned with a stationary or slow landing, so that under-rotations are less dangerous.

This may be a silly question, but can someone please explain to me exactly what underestimation is, what causes it, etc? I am a bit confused as to exactly what under-rotating is. Thanks

[sarahspins]

Under-rotating is when you don't complete the jump rotation in the air. The rotation is "completed" on the ice either by spinning on the toe on the landing (typically when a jump is more than 1/4 but less than 1/2 rotation under), or actually landing forward and doing a quick 3-turn to skate backwards.  It's more common with doubles and triples than single jumps.

[jjane45]

It's more common with doubles and triples than single jumps.

Beginner single jumps with poor technique are not immune... Cough single (f)lutz cough.

[sarahspins]

Well, I was more making the point that someone who habitually under-rotates their doubles will typically do it on most, if not all of them, it usually isn't just one "problem" jump (and I hear you on that lutz, it remains my nemesis).

It's kind of the same thing with two-footing jumps.. skaters who do it tend to land most of their jumps that way because it becomes habit.

[Nate]

Agree.  Practice makes permanent.  Sometimes it's more advantageous to just fall (safely) then to two foot to avoid it becoming second-nature.  Some skaters just protect their landings by two footing when they're nervous or timid, though...

EDIT:  Well, I guess that's your point about the habits XD

[Rachelsk8s]

Beginner single jumps with poor technique are not immune... Cough single (f)lutz cough.

I do the same thing!!!  I was reading this thread and I immediately envisioned how I look, dragging my toe pick as I approach the Lutz, or Flutz, lol