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Sitting on the Boards Rink Side / Re: Still skating at 90 years old
« Last post by lutefisk on April 05, 2017, 08:07:17 AM »
Whada expect?  She's had way more ice time than you've had!
Sitting on the Boards Rink Side / Still skating at 90 years old
« Last post by sampaguita on April 05, 2017, 07:40:23 AM »
And she skates better than I do, at 90! Truly inspirational.

The Pro Shop / Achilles tendonitis solutions?
« Last post by icepixie on April 04, 2017, 08:20:00 PM »
My achilles tendons have started to bother me lately, I assume because my boots have recently started showing signs of breakdown and I'm tying tighter to compensate.  I know the best solution is new skates, which is happening...but not until SP Teri is here in May to fit me (plus whatever time it takes for customs; I have such a high arch and instep that one of my coaches who also works for a bootmaker said I'll never find a stock boot that actually fits me).  Until then, does anyone have suggestions for how to ease the pressure on the tendons?

I've tried gel sleeves before, and I find that they push my feet too far forward in the skate so that my toes don't have enough room.  They also seem to make it hard to get the laces around the hooks securely.  Bunga pads on either side of the tendon, maybe?  I have a couple layers of moleskin on either side of the line along the back of the boot where the tendon fits to kind of even out the pressure along the entire heel and back of the ankle (not to mention keep it from slipping) so maybe I just need to do more of that.  Other ideas?
The Pro Shop / Re: Review of Riedell 255 Motion and Eclipse Astra Blades
« Last post by Ethereal Ice on April 04, 2017, 06:27:47 PM »
I was going to say,  regarding the rusting,  that perhaps this would be a good candidate for oiling the blades after drying, as I believe I read from Query in a previous thread.  I use mineral oil on mine (I keep a cloth soaked in the stuff in a plastic baggie at home and I oil if I am not planning to use my skates for a few days,  like over the weekend for exampIe. I also oil after sharpenings, and I use oil to help my honing stone if I find any small nicks that need smoothing. Cannot remember if I read it here or somewhere else to use oil with the honing stone, it really does seem to make it more effective.

Anyway, I use a double soaker method on mine to prevent rust and sole rot, wide puffy soakers immediately after skating/drying to pull remaining moisture from the blades, mounts, and soles. Then when I get home I switch to blade-only soakers and leave my skates tipped up so the soles get plenty of dry time. If I had any trouble with rusting, I would add a nice layer of oil when I got home as well. Our skates (I care for my husband's Harlicks as well, after we get home) are pretty much always open to air unless they are being transported. It is not difficult, I just leave the bags open, sometimes I may turn them this way and that to make sure everything gets good air exposure. But it really makes a difference,  we have no soft soles, no rust, no smelly skates. I know a few people who care for their skates at the rink but never open their bag or suitcase after they get much moisture hangs out well after you leave the rink, bleh.

Reading this whole thread reminds me of how many new adult skaters I see trying jumps in low level boots. Not to stereotype,  but they are often young adults who seem to progress quickly, their bodies are in good shape and they are so fearless to try things!  But I really do worry sometimes, the lower end skates are just not designed for repeated jumping, I would hate to see an injury. I hope more folks will really research the level of boot they are buying, thanks for the informative thread!
Sitting on the Boards Rink Side / Re: Hard or Soft Ice
« Last post by Doubletoe on April 04, 2017, 06:10:02 PM »
For your experiment to work, you need a sharpener who checks the calibration of his dressing jig and who dresses his wheel carefully.  I grew suspicious of one guy, so I bought a Hollow Depth Indicator (HDI) gauge.  I always asked for a 7/16" ROH, but what I got ranged from 7/16" to 9/16".  I dropped him.  My current guy is more consistent, but to get 7/16", I need to ask for 3/8".  Also, some sharpeners hand finish the hollow with a cylindrical or conical honing stone to get rid of chatter marks from power grinding; hand finishing can lead to variations in the final effective ROH.

I was wondering about your ROH, since you said you preferred hard ice!  If Ihad such a deep ROH I would feel more comfortable on harder ice, too.  My ROH is 1/2" and everything works better on softer ice.
The Pro Shop / Re: Review of Riedell 255 Motion and Eclipse Astra Blades
« Last post by dlbritton on April 04, 2017, 10:42:55 AM »
I currently skate on Riedell 255 Motion (2014/15 model) mens 8 1/2 wide with Coronation Ace blades. I ordered the boots and blades separately.

I originally had a pair of 255Ts (2013 model) with Eclipse Aspire XP blades. I prefer the Coronation Ace blade, especially for spins. However my previous 255s were a 9 wide, which were too long. I always felt the rocker was too far forward to balance on it properly. Supposedly the newer boot is stiffer and lighter than the old boot. I feel like the new boot is less stiff than the old boot.

I have not had mine heat molded but am considering it. They seem to fit okay but I assume heat molding won't hurt the current fit and may improve it slightly.

The arch support has been adequate which is surprising as I have always had to have custom orthotics for my ski boots, and when I tried figure skating many years in the past I always gave up because my arches hurt so much after just 15 minutes that I had to stop skating. When I first started taking lessons I used an old ski orthotic that did fit inside the skate until I bought my own skates.

The shop at my rink stocks Jacksons, but the fitter said I would need at least a 9 1/2 Jackson to get the proper width. My foot is somewhat strange in that I have to wear 10 wide street shoes, but my ski boots and skates are 8 1/2 equivalents. From my own research comparing Jackson and Riedell boots it appears that Riedells are slightly wider than Jacksons for a given length, at least in the "wide" boots".

The Pro Shop / Re: Review of Riedell 255 Motion and Eclipse Astra Blades
« Last post by DressmakingMomma on April 04, 2017, 07:12:20 AM »
If you want to do something quick to build up a higher arch without taking up too much room in the skate, a well known skate tech in our area gave me this trick. Buy the pads meant for ladies high heel shoes under the ball of the foot, sometimes called petals. You can buy them at a drug store inexpensively or in department stores that sell women's shoes. They are thinner than the ones made specifically for arch support and wider. You stick it under your current insole, but position it so that a bit more than half of it sits under your arch and the other part rolls up the side of the skate on the instep area. That particular way of placing the pad worked really well for our daughter.
Media Center / Re: Skating Blog Ideas
« Last post by Sam_Bryant on April 04, 2017, 04:46:54 AM »
Well you should keep on skating through the summer whether "figure skating" is allowed or not - it will give you time to work on basic edges and stroking and edges and stroking.

By "figure skating" I'm guessing they mean jumps and spins - but there is a lot more to skating - I would work on turns and edges.

Oh I will be for sure! Gotta develop those muscles as well :)

Well to gove an example of what Im facing with most local rinks near to me this is their exaaact quote:

For reasons of safety, the following are not permitted during General Public Skate sessions:
·         Speed skates
·         Games (crack the whip, tag, horseplay etc.)
·         Snowball throwing
·         Hockey sticks, Ringette sticks, pucks or balls
·         Electronic Devices  (MP3 players, IPODS etc.)
.         Cellular telephones (no texting/instant messages etc).
·         Skating aids, chairs, strollers or buggies
·         Skating backwards
·         Standing around, please keep moving at all times
·         Holding children in arms while skating
·         Jumps, spins or other figure skating routines
·         Sitting on the rink boards
·         Chipping or gouging the ice with skates
·         Persons not wearing skates or spikies"
The Pro Shop / Re: Review of Riedell 255 Motion and Eclipse Astra Blades
« Last post by fivetansic on April 04, 2017, 02:34:00 AM »
I agree with this too ^. I also lace my skates using this technique and some skates are too narrow across the ball of my foot. The running community has some good lacing solutions, don't be afraid to play around with them. You might find something that works. Just remember your skates do need to be tight for the two eyelets under the hook, then I do a surgeons knot to keep the laces tight before I lace up the hooks.

Good.luck, and welcome to the forums!!!
 Being tight there keeps your heel in place.

Will definitely play with the lacing! Never knew lacing could affect my skating and I will see how it goes!

For a lot of us, boots and blades have been a learning experience. :)

FWIIW, many people advocate Jackson and Harlick for wide toes. Mine are too wide for stock Riedell boots.

And remember in the future that you can order seperate width sizing for heel, midfoot and toes. But you have what you have for now.

If you need to stretch your toebox more, ask your pro shop if they can do it. If not, you can do it yourself with a ball-and-ring pliers. Either way, the toebox won't stretch much.

BTW, not all Eclipse and Ultima blades are junky. Astra is a fairly low end model.

Yes, you should always wipe your blades, mounting plate and screws dry after skating, and before you put them in the blade guards. If you can, store them in the open, not in the blade guards. If rust is a major problem because you (or your pro shop) keep your boots in a high humidity environment, you could also oil them between uses.

For more rust resistance, don't just pick stainless steel screws - pick marine grade stainless steel screws, though they cost more. OTOH, if you don't take proper care of your blades, any steel, even marine grade stainless steel, will rust. Pattern 99 blades rust fairly easily too, because they are made of high carbon steel, which is not rust-resistant - so take good care.

Didn't know Jacksons are for wide feet! I always thought they are for narrow feet. I just think there isn't enough feedback on Eclipse blades, even though it has been out there for awhile now. The Astra is indeed a lower-end, which is my gripe as in the other brands, the stock blade improves with each boot. What irks me the most is how there is simply no information on the Astra, making it such a myster. The skate tech used the screws John Wilson provided, hopefully that would last!

I've had stainless steel screws rust on skates, despite careful drying - though I used those skates and screws for many years.

I conclude that some "stainless" steels are not very rust-proof.

I don't think complete immersion in still tap water is the fastest rust producer. Not much disolved oxygen, or other corrosive disolved chemicals.

Admittedly, the most rust-resistant marine grade steel alloys, like 316, aren't very strong. And admittedly, Ultima Matrix and some Paramount blade runners have just been made of 440C, which is not a marine grade stainless. (Some of the cheaper ones are made of 430...) My Matrix I blades don't rust much if I take proper care...

So maybe I waste a little money buying marine grade stainless screws - but I hate dealing with rust - which can easily spread if it touches other things made of steel.  But maybe you are right, and it is overkill.

Marine grade screws! I don't think I need to go that far haha. I am happy with how it is now and I am thankful to have at least a very knowledgeable and patient skate tech. He did mention that the screws that came the stock blade are probably of lower quality when I expressed my shock at the rust, but told me its not something to worry about as long as the screws are embedded well and holds the blade in place.
The Pro Shop / Re: Review of Riedell 255 Motion and Eclipse Astra Blades
« Last post by fivetansic on April 04, 2017, 02:24:39 AM »
Great review!  If money is not a consideration, I don't think as an adult it's possible to over-blade, unlike boots.  I also wish I switched to a high end blade sooner.   To avoid rusting on the screws, make sure to dry the plate too when you take them off.  Also, it's not common for adults to land doubles in any country.  Other countries may have a lot more skaters and coaches which makes it more likely to see some, but it is still very rare.  Enjoy your new boots!

Often the screws that come with even pricey blades these days are pretty junky.  If you want to avoid rusty screws entirely, swap out the screws supplied by the blade manufacturer and use stainless steel screws.  This advice does not apply to Edea boots that require custom Edea screws. 

But, even with stainless steel screws,  it's still a good idea to dry the boot and blade thoroughly to avoid wet rot of the sole and heel.  Also, I've found that many skaters (including advanced skaters and coaches) never check the tightness of their screws.  Loose screws are a hazard in themselves, but they also allow more water to penetrate into the screw holes.

Yes I definitely wipe the entire plate as well before keeping them in soakers. Basically every exposed part of the blade that I can wipe. I am just shocked by how quickly it rusted - on the first use! That gives a glimpse into its longevity, really. I am also trying to convince the other girl on the Motions to change her Astra blades away if possible.

Wow, nice review!

If the skates still hurt, can you have them heat molded?  Or if they're not heat moldable, have them stretched in the places that hurt?  If they're not heat moldable any old cobbler should be able to stretch them.  The heat molding needs to be done at the shop.

Oh, and late teens isn't that old! Many adult skaters start much older than you.  Doubles should be attainable if you work hard enough.

Good luck with the progress!

Sadly we don't have an oven at the rink or at the only pro shop I mentioned. I try to compensate it with a hair dryer, though I am sure its effect is nothing like the oven, but better than nothing.  :(

If you are having arch pain, then try placing different types of support materials underneath of your insole until it feels comfortable. I take my daughter to the rink with scissors, double sided tape, different thicknesses and types of foam, a few drugstore arch support products, thin layers of cork and some sand paper. We cut and try different combinations of materials under her arch and heel areas until they feel comfortable. We sometimes have to repeat this process once in a while, which I think is due to materials compressing or her boots softening. We go to a public skate session because it costs less money and she doesn't plan on practicing, we just take her boots on an off and test different combinations. It is amazing how tiny differences feel vastly different to her feet and balance.
Agreed with DressmakingMomma.  If your arches hurt, you most likely need some kind of arch support, be it layers of foam, a pre-made support like this, or something else.  It's a process, but makes such a difference when you get the right support.

If that doesn't solve the problem, it's possible the boots are also too shallow for your instep.  I found that to be the case with my Riedell 229's.  You can alleviate it somewhat with different lacing like this (I don't lace across on the third and fourth eyelets from the top in my current Jacksons).

Will definitely try these! I think its the instep problem as I do have a higher arch. I tried replacing the soles with the sports soles, but what happened was that while it was a good fit at the arch, it made the toes too tight instead, so I guess I will still have to tinker around with it.

By the way, the Riedell website states that there are three options for purchasing the 255 boots:  (1) boots alone, (2) boots pre-mounted with Astra, or (3) boots pre-mounted with Cosmos.  Looks like your dealer stocked only boots pre-mounted with Astra and steered you that way.

I doubt so, as my dealer is a coach who orders from Riedell the necessary. I did ask if I should upgrade to the Cosmos after she advised against the Volant, but she said there's really not much of a difference between Astra and Cosmos. If I knew had could get the Pattern 99 at the end of the day, I would definitely have gotten just the boot alone.
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