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Title: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: AgnesNitt on February 13, 2014, 12:31:06 PM
http://keepingscore.blogs.time.com/2014/02/13/sochi-winter-olympics-2014-evgeny-plushenko-out/

Okay, men's singles is up for grabs.

Go team USA!


****NOTE SPOILER WARNINGS****
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: FigureSpins on February 13, 2014, 12:34:25 PM
That's a shame.  They shouldn't have put the Team event first or Russian should have placed their #2 on the team event to protect his health.
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: Loops on February 13, 2014, 12:43:23 PM
Wow, I'm watching the mens short right now, but missed the warm-ups.   What I expect is the final or next-to final flight just started theirs. I was wondering where he was. I won't spoil anything since it's not over.  But the outcome will certainly be very interesting.

I am so sorry for Plushenko though.  It must be heart-wrenching for him but it would be worse if he suffered a life-altering injury. 
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: FigureSpins on February 13, 2014, 01:12:32 PM
I'm hoping for a dark horse medalist this year.  I like rooting for underdogs, like Majorov.
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: AgnesNitt on February 13, 2014, 01:36:27 PM
I'm digging out and have no TV.

I'm rooting for Jason Brown. I'd like to see another good skating over the quad triumph like Jeffrey Buttle at Worlds in 2008
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: rachelplotkin on February 13, 2014, 01:48:30 PM
I'm also rooting for Jason Browne for the same reasons as Agnes.  It doesn't hurt that he's a local either.
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: Loops on February 13, 2014, 04:52:05 PM
Again, I don't know what you guys have seen yet, so I will try hard not to spoil.  I agree that it would be very nice to see this competition be not just about the quad.  There is so much more to skating than jumping.

There was not a whole lot of clean skating in the men's short.  I had seen both the American men skate before, and my favorite is still Jason Brown.  I really would like to see him on the podium, would love him to take the top spot.  I am eagerly awaiting his long.  He seems like he's just on right now.

I did, in the final flight(s) see some clean programs, including some quads (that were so big and "easy" I thought they were triples until I saw the replays).  I agree on Majorov (he's the Swede, right?)- fun to watch, also I like the Japanese kid- his program was fantastic, his 4toe in particular was just so solid I didn't realise it was a 4.  And I gotta root for my new home country- Brian Joubert from France skated beautifully and is a medal contender too.   

Oh this is going to be a fun competiton.  I hope our cable works tomorrow (it's in and out right now- got lucky today) so I can watch the Men's long.  It's so very exciting!!!

But while we're at it....what's this spin so many of them (mostly the Northern/Eastern Europeans) are doing- where they lean down and hold their foot with their bum high in the air.  Do they not watch themselves on video doing that?  It doesn't look good.  I realise there aren't many spin options for less-flexible men out there, but please....there are better options!

Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: Isk8NYC on February 13, 2014, 04:57:35 PM
But while we're at it....what's this spin so many of them (mostly the Northern/Eastern Europeans) are doing- where they lean down and hold their foot with their bum high in the air.  Do they not watch themselves on video doing that?  It doesn't look good.  I realise there aren't many spin options for less-flexible men out there, but please....there are better options!

The polite (IJS) name is the "A-Frame" spin but most people call it the "Butt Spin."  ;-)  It's not done for aesthetics; it's a difficult position that garners a higher level if they can hold it long enough.  I hate trying it - makes me really, really dizzy and I don't usually have a problem with dizziness in spins.
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: Loops on February 13, 2014, 05:03:23 PM
The polite (IJS) name is the "A-Frame" spin but most people call it the "Butt Spin."  ;-)  It's not done for aesthetics; it's a difficult position that garners a higher level if they can hold it long enough.  I hate trying it - makes me really, really dizzy and I don't usually have a problem with dizziness in spins.

Hmmm, I see your point.  I'm not sure I'd want to even try that though- simply because there's your butt on display for everyone to behold.  Aren't there other difficult positions they could do?  Part of this sport, a big part, is aesthetics!
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: icedancer on February 13, 2014, 05:10:12 PM
Can we change the title of this thread for those who want to watch it on regular TV in prime time in the a certain time zone?
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: Isk8NYC on February 13, 2014, 05:39:24 PM
Can we change the title of this thread for those who want to watch it on regular TV in prime time in the a certain time zone?

Change it to what?  (I assume the plushy spoiler is the issue?)
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: AgnesNitt on February 13, 2014, 06:01:30 PM
Can we change the title of this thread for those who want to watch it on regular TV in prime time in the a certain time zone?

Change it to what?  (I assume the plushy spoiler is the issue?)


The Plushenko announcement is on the front page of a lot of news sites. It's hardly a spoiler.
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: icedancer on February 13, 2014, 07:57:44 PM
Yes. I thought anything to do with the competition would be considered a spoiler.
Must be my "West Coast people find out things later than everyone else and don't like to see any spoilers" mentality. :nvm:

It could be changed to Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: Isk8NYC on February 13, 2014, 08:08:47 PM
Okey dokey!
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: icedancer on February 13, 2014, 08:31:53 PM
I thought this was HILARIOUS!!  But don't watch it if you care about swear-words. :nvm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmrLnq6mUWs&feature=youtu.be&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DdmrLnq6mUWs%26feature%3Dyoutu.be&app=desktop
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: sarahspins on February 13, 2014, 08:59:11 PM
OMG that was a riot :)

I have to say watching that second group this morning, all I could think was "WTF, this is INSANE!!!!"... it was like watching the twilight zone, and not in a good way!
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: skategeek on February 13, 2014, 09:11:50 PM
My daughter got scared yesterday watching the pairs- she was afraid they'd get hurt.  Today she wasn't all that interested so I watched on my own but then called her over to see one of "our" guys skate... just in time for poor Jeremy Abbott to slam into the ice and the boards and then lie there in apparent agony.  She ran off crying but I called her back to watch when it was clear that not only was he going to go on to finish, but that he was doing a great job.  A good lesson for her, and a very impressive moment for him.
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: FigureSpins on February 13, 2014, 10:02:24 PM
You should find Max Aaron's US Nats performance from 2013 - he slammed into the boards, saved himself and kept on going, winning the Gold medal.  Tough as nails.

I really think the Team competition took a lot out of the Men.  I still say it should be a technical event with uniforms rather than their solo competition performance.


Can I just say that Skeleton terrifies me, even more than Pairs show routines?
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: AgnesNitt on February 13, 2014, 10:19:18 PM
I covered Men's short on my blog
http://icedoesntcare.blogspot.com/2014/02/upset-in-mens-short-program-sochi.html
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: AgnesNitt on February 14, 2014, 04:58:27 AM
Just found video of Plushenko's withdrawal. As my mother would say, "His color wasn't good." You could see it in his face.
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: taka on February 14, 2014, 08:27:00 AM
I absolutely loved watching the Mens short yesterday! So many men still in medal contention is unreal! I'm frantically rushing around trying to get my non office based work finished in time so I can retreat to my office and do lots of paperwork / computer based things between mens LP programs! :P The Women's skeleton event (which has a Brit in the lead!!) is on at that same time as the Mens LP so I have a feeling my attempts at recording the skating on my PVR may actually be a recording of skeleton instead so I'm trying to watch the skating live!

Skeleton does indeed look absolutely terrifying! We had a recent reality TV show here called "The Jump" (on Channel 4 - there are some clips on youtube but they may be geoblocked) where various celebs had to do assorted winter olympics events... one of which was skeleton! They looked more petrified doing that than anything else. :o

Mind you the winter olympics in general does seem to involve 1001 ways to throw yourself off / down (up?) a mountain on snow / ice or going terrifyingly fast / launching yourself into the air with skis / snowboard / skates on etc. Not many non-daredevil sports involved!
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: 4711 on February 14, 2014, 10:24:36 AM
Just found video of Plushenko's withdrawal. As my mother would say, "His color wasn't good." You could see it in his face.
http://msn.foxsports.com/olympics/story/russia-figure-skater-evgeni-plushenko-on-thin-ice-after-olympic-dropout-sochi-games-021414

Harsh words for him...
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: Loops on February 14, 2014, 11:12:12 AM
I just need to say that Mischa Ge (or however they're spelling it in English) is cute!  In the way that my son is.....  He had so much fun doing his Short, I hope his long goes well.  It's fun to see skaters just have a great time.
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: Isk8NYC on February 14, 2014, 11:12:45 AM
This is really interesting: I'm streaming the Men's LP via my computer and the camera angle/announcers match NBC.  Over my iPad via the NBC Live app, it's a different angle and a set of UK-sounding announcers. 
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: AgnesNitt on February 14, 2014, 12:10:52 PM
This is really interesting: I'm streaming the Men's LP via my computer and the camera angle/announcers match NBC.  Over my iPad via the NBC Live app, it's a different angle and a set of UK-sounding announcers.

The NBC live seems to be streaming Eurosport.
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: Isk8NYC on February 14, 2014, 12:21:54 PM
I'm watching it instead of the NBC computer feed because it's not stalling and I like the announcers better.  ;-)

Can't resist the "Bob's your uncle," "Cracking!" and other colloquialisms.  Reminds me of Harry Potter a bit.  sigh.
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: sarahspins on February 14, 2014, 07:10:42 PM
This is really interesting: I'm streaming the Men's LP via my computer and the camera angle/announcers match NBC.  Over my iPad via the NBC Live app, it's a different angle and a set of UK-sounding announcers.

Weird, I streamed mine with the web version from nbcolympics.com (well I air played it to the Apple TV in another room) and got the Eurosport announcers for the men's long. I think the only time I ended up with anyone else was the pairs short which had Johnny and Tara and IMO was almost unwatchable for how annoying they were.
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: FigureSpins on February 14, 2014, 07:13:38 PM
I've decided that I'm going to see if I can get the German TV stream for the Ladies final. I'd love to listen to Katerina in German.   If I can't get rid of the announcers, I've decided to go for variety!
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: ONskater74 on February 14, 2014, 07:51:30 PM
TV people in the UK need to remove the word "Brilliant" from their vocabulary!
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: nicklaszlo on February 15, 2014, 12:10:14 AM
I've decided that I'm going to see if I can get the German TV stream for the Ladies final. I'd love to listen to Katerina in German.   If I can't get rid of the announcers, I've decided to go for variety!

My favorite is the Russian coverage, because I can't understand them and they usually shut up during the programs.  The worst I ever saw was an Italian commentator.  She kept saying "Plushenko" over and over during the program I was watching, and Plushenko wasn't even in the competition.
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: icedancer on February 15, 2014, 11:43:07 PM
Where can I find the judges protocol sheets? Curious to see how this men's event was scored.
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: icedancer on February 16, 2014, 12:03:12 AM
I found it here - took a little tiny bit of digging on this site - the protocols are in the area where they list the skaters with what look like their mug shots.

http://www.usfsa.org/shell2.asp?sid=49844
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: FigureSpins on February 16, 2014, 12:10:59 AM
Where can I find the judges protocol sheets? Curious to see how this men's event was scored.

http://www.isuresults.com/results/owg2014/index.htm
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: Lola on February 16, 2014, 09:22:57 AM
The NBC live seems to be streaming Eurosport.

Which is awesome.  :love:
Title: Re: Olympics Mens Short Program ***SPOILERS****
Post by: Schmeck on February 16, 2014, 05:02:49 PM
So I'm the only one who was not surprised Plushenko quit? I figured he'd withdraw from the singles before the Olympics even started - no way he was going to be on the podium, and no way he'd compete if he thought he wouldn't win.

I didn't think Brown would have a chance either. He has to skate 2 perfect programs to be close. A quad combo may beat him every time, no matter how much they gift him on the Program Components Score. He's got to work on those under-rotated jumps on the international level.