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The Pro Shop / Re: ROH on old Coronation Ace for Figures
« Last post by tstop4me on April 15, 2024, 03:00:44 PM »
Maybe instead of immediately jumping to a large ROH (say 1" or greater) that a competitive figures skater would use, you should be conservative and increase the ROH incrementally.  E.g., start at 1/2"; if you're comfortable with that, then go to 5/8" when the next sharpening is due; ....
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The Pro Shop / ROH on old Coronation Ace for Figures
« Last post by dlbritton on April 14, 2024, 10:00:03 PM »
My Coronation Ace blades finally passed their useable life for freestyle. The technician said the sweet spot has shifted back due to multiple sharpening altho the profile is still correct. After the last sharpening I tripped over the toe picks a few times because they are closer to the ice. I ordered new Coronation Ace blades, I am still competing at Adult High Beginner so no higher blade really called for.

I was thinking of using my old blades with my old somewhat broken down Riedell Motion boots and having a dedicated Figures boot/blade combo.

What is a good ROH for Figures alone, or possibly Figures and Ice Dance if that is feasible? I currently use a 7/16 ROH for freestyle and have heard a shallower ROH is better for Figures. I will also talk to the tech about grinding down the toe pick some so I don't catch it.

Thanks for any advice
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The Pro Shop / Re: what can we use to test blades that need to be sharpened?
« Last post by R45 on April 07, 2024, 08:53:06 PM »
As mentioned already, the tolerance towards dullness of the edges is a personal preference.
Many skaters are under the impression that edges are not allowed to slip. But controlled sliding is part of skating.
Dull edges have a bit the same effect as a more shallow hollow: you have no choice but to learn how to control your edges more effectively.
I sharpen my skates once a year, mainly to get the nicks out.
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The Pro Shop / Re: what can we use to test blades that need to be sharpened?
« Last post by Query on April 07, 2024, 02:01:19 PM »
FWIIW, many skate techs say once every 40 hours on the ice is typical for figure skaters.

But there is a lot of variation.

Not just by skater, but by the type of ice you skate on. Rough ice, and dirty outdoor ice wear out blade edges a lot faster.

I currently sharpen more often, maybe every 8-15 hours, because I love sharp edges, but I use hand tools (mostly Pro-Filer) that remove a lot less metal than powered machine tools, I think because they reshape the steel somewhat more than remove it - the blades still last me for years, and probably well over 100 sharpenings. But about 30 sharpenings seems roughly right for sharpening using powered machines. Maybe worse if you are still having a bit of trouble centering the blade position on the wheel when sharpening.

Is your daughter old and safety oriented enough to learn to sharpen her own skates? It might encourage her to take good care of her blades. (Or not. :)) I've watched a lot of kids run off the ice onto the rubber mats surrounding the rink, and out to the lobby or bathroom, with no concern for their blades, secure in the knowledge that their parents will get them sharpened and replaced as needed. Of course, some adults aren't much more careful.

I've also seen some who don't dry their blades after use, leave their blades in blade guards between uses, or store their skate in a closed bag, box or trunk. All of those increase corrosion and shorten edge and blade life. Hopefully your tool experience means you have explained to your daughter what she should do to preserve her blades as much as she can.
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The Pro Shop / Re: what can we use to test blades that need to be sharpened?
« Last post by tstop4me on April 07, 2024, 12:24:52 PM »
I've also tried several proxy methods.  To test for a sharp edge, I've used the fingernail test.  Even more sensitive for me is the fingertip test. If I run my fingertip across (not along) a really sharp edge, I can feel it and also see traces of shaved skin fragments left behind.  This works only if my fingers are thoroughly dry.

I also have a HDI (Hollow Depth Indicator) gauge, in which I swapped out the stock dial indicator for a higher-resolution digital indicator.  I thought maybe if I tracked the decrease in depth of hollow as the edges wore down, I would get a proxy for when sharpening was due.

None of these methods were successful.  Mainly because I touch up my edges with burnishing rods.  So I can maintain a sharp edge, but the edge angles vary and the degree of bite varies.

So ultimately I know it's time for a sharpening, even after repeated rounds of burnishing, by actual performance (starting to slip).  For me, primarily reduced control on back cross-overs and entrances to one-foot spins are the early indicators.  I do keep a log of hours of skating after a fresh sharpening.  But it's only a rough guide, because it depends on what moves I'm concentrating on:  different portions of edges get worn down more quickly than others; and different portions of edges are more critical than others.
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The Pro Shop / Re: what can we use to test blades that need to be sharpened?
« Last post by Bill_S on April 07, 2024, 09:35:15 AM »
I used nothing scientific when I skated. I always went by feel. One thing that I noticed was that the more advanced my skills became over the 23 years that I skated, the more tolerant I became of edges becoming dull.

I would venture a guess that most skaters, except for beginning skaters, can tell when their edges start to slip. That's when it's time for a sharpening. For the inexperienced, they won't have deep edges to worry about and an approximate number like 40 hours will suffice.

Unless there is impact damage, 20 hours seems too short and could impact blade life. A few minor (and inevitable) nicks won't hurt anything, so don't chase perfect edge condition at the expense of blade life.
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The Pro Shop / Re: what can we use to test blades that need to be sharpened?
« Last post by AlbaNY on April 07, 2024, 08:26:28 AM »
My main coach used the fingernail method and assured me I was good to go still with 80 hours on my first ever sharpening.  I also have never found it to make any indication compared to how I felt while skating.  Perhaps my nails are soft (they are,) but it just never seemed like a useful test.

I routinely have gone that long between sharpenings, but I do enjoy the secure feel if done by a bit over 40 hours.  Even if I had the option for 20 hours I’d be reluctant in order to save blade longevity since I guess I can get away with the handling.  My main coach hasn't had his blades sharpened in over two years now but has great edges.  Dullness forces you to use pressure.
Without a trusted tech here I went from June to February without any sharpenings (  :'()
It’s a very personal experience thing as far as sensitivity to sharpness and how it feels.

As to the question… I find a careful look will tell.  You just see the obvious nicks and general lack of sharpness in the edges or in how light gleams on them.  Obviously I am a not scientific minded person but go by senses.  I bet Kaitsu and BillS will have more precise answers. 
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The Pro Shop / what can we use to test blades that need to be sharpened?
« Last post by marc on April 07, 2024, 07:56:40 AM »
I've been wondering for a long time how you can test a skate that needs sharpening.
for the moment I'm using the fingernail technique but I don't really like it (and I wouldn't have enough nails!).
Before having my own machine, I didn't ask myself all these questions, it was roughly every 40 hours, but now that I have the machine I do it for my daughter every 20/25 hours).
but I would like to have a serious technique...
And I would love to have your ideas or advice.
Hello to you enthusiasts of the south of France!
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The new boots are fantastic!   :love:
I skated a couple hours and decided to use them for the competition already.  I actually never put my old skates on again since trying out the new ones.  I thought they were comfortable these days, but with the new pair it’s hard to imagine using them anymore even on ponds or in slush. 

Once I had my preferred laces in they were great.  Coach Cheerful said I skated better in the new pair, and I thought so too.  I felt like I was more in contact with the ice (especially in my heels for some reason) and had better control once I was used to the slight difference in feel of the blade placement.  Spins suffered for sure but began to come back alright with time. 

Despite the 3 layer super stiff construction I could flex happily quite quickly, and I am sooooo glad I didn’t go for a reduced level.  The woman that got gold in our adult silver category was really surprised I was competing in such new boots.   8)

I probably should have just had the backstays in the same grey, but I am undecided about that.  I adore the grey suede so much.  It seems to mostly read as pale tan in photos or videos.  That’s kind of perfect.
The tech at the shop was surprised by the half lined tongues saying he hadn’t seen that from them before.  I found it odd also, because I thought my inline pair only had it done that way due to it being a retrofit.  I’d guess that it is something done to allow for replacing foam in the long term viewing it as a seamstress.  If the lining leather isn’t stitched down and full length then the tongue padding can be replaced without taking the whole piece out, and that makes sense.

Despite only about 3 hours in them the chem glaze wore off in a spot from lunges on the left sole.  Water clearly leaked in where Too Sharp added more screws also, but not where the other tech placed screws.  I melted beeswax there and hope it’s okay now.  The glaze has a bit of hairline cracks and seems thinner, like I saw on some other pairs, but my original pair had a lovely robust glaze.  I hope it holds up better than I fear. 

I’m already dreaming of ideas for another pair… whenever that might be.  I’d like them tall like old school boots and in white pebble perhaps?   ;D  There’s plenty of time, hah!  I think some design with crystals where Harlick does the custom cutouts might be nice.  The crystals are my favourite part aside from the suede colour. 
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The Pro Shop / Re: Pro-Filer Redirects to Wissota
« Last post by Query on March 27, 2024, 09:49:41 PM »
I did notice your video showed a fair amount of what I think is sandpaper abrasive grain removed from the sandpaper. Much more than I've noticed with the Pro-Filer.

I wonder if sandpaper holds the grain less well than the abrasive grains embedded in the resin cylinders. Of course, there might also be different quality sandpapers, and different quality abrasive cylinders.

I don't know if the removed grain matters much.

I'm really impressed by the elegant simplicity of your method of making a substitute for Pro-Filer. How good a job do you feel it does? Is it much slower than the professional grade powered sharpening tools you've got? Do you plan to offer your 3D printed tools for sale?

Have your eyes healed? How did the steel dust get into them? Did you wear eye protection? (I admit I usually don't with Pro-Filer either, though I used to.) Or did it get on your hands, and you rubbed your eyes?
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