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Offline lyssykw

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Coronation ace vs Gold star blades
« on: December 06, 2017, 04:52:57 AM »
Hi Everyone,
                  Just wondering if anyone has any experience skating on both Coronation Ace and MK Gold stars? I currently skate in Coronation Ace blades and have done since I was a teenager (I'm now an adult skater). However, I'm now looking at possibly stepping up in blades since I am going to be working on double jumps. I was thinking of getting MK Gold stars, as they still have a 7ft rocker, so I'm hoping there wouldn't be too much difference and adjustment period.
 There is a big price difference in the two blades, so I'm not sure whether it is worth spending the extra. However, I'm interested to hear what people think of Gold stars?
 Most skaters at my rink use Gold Seals, regardless of their level. There are some low level skaters who skate in gold seals and swear by them, however I don't know how I would go changing to an 8ft rocker after spending so long with the Ace.
 Has anyone used Gold stars and Coronation Ace? How did they compare? Did they make any significant difference to your skating?

Thanks :)

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Re: Coronation ace vs Gold star blades
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2017, 01:54:41 PM »
The overall rocker radius (7' vs 8') is not the biggest adjustment when you change blade models.  The biggest adjustment is the difference in rocker profile, i.e., the specific curve of the front half of the blade that affects your spins and edge jump takeoffs.  If you are determined to "upgrade" to a more expensive blade, what you want is a blade that has a similar rocker profile to your Coronation Ace, and I believe that blade would be the Pattern 99.

The difference between a 7' and 8' rocker is that the 8' rocker blade is flatter from the arch of the foot to the heel, which gives you better glide and better stability on jump landings.  The adjustment I needed to make when I went from a 7' to 8' blade (Gold Star to Gold Seal, in my case) was just getting used to putting my weight farther back on the blade when skating backwards to adjust for the flatter heel of the blade.  Overall, the change to an 8' radius blade turned out to be a good one for me and I would never go back to a 7' blade now.

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Re: Coronation ace vs Gold star blades
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2017, 08:42:10 PM »
Thanks for your input Doubletoe! I actually hadn't even considered the Pattern 99, but I will check it out.

Now I'm wondering whether I should just stick with the Coro Ace after all! Having skated on them for so long, I don't know whether I'll regret changing blade. Surely, after some adjustment period, one can get used to any blade!

It is such a hard decision  :-\ :-\

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Re: Coronation ace vs Gold star blades
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2017, 11:11:36 AM »
I'm going through the same thought process as lyssykw but with MK Professionals as the current blade instead of Coronation Aces.  I have heard that the Coronation Ace and MK Professional are very similar - so Doubletoe, would Pattern 99 be your same suggestion for someone upgrading from MK Professional - to go to Pattern 99 instead of Gold Star?  What about MK Vision? 

Lyssykw, I will be interested to hear what you ultimately decide. 

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Re: Coronation ace vs Gold star blades
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2017, 05:44:38 PM »
Thanks for your input Doubletoe! I actually hadn't even considered the Pattern 99, but I will check it out.

Now I'm wondering whether I should just stick with the Coro Ace after all! Having skated on them for so long, I don't know whether I'll regret changing blade. Surely, after some adjustment period, one can get used to any blade!

It is such a hard decision  :-\ :-\
Your original post specifically addressed a comparison of Coronation Ace and Gold Star blades.  I have skated with Coronation Ace, but not with Gold Star, so I haven’t responded up to now.  But since you’re the OP and have opened the bounds of the discussion, I feel I can discuss my recent upgrade experience without being guilty of thread drift.

(1) Yes, it is a hard, and expensive, decision to upgrade from an intermediate blade to an advanced blade.  Intermediate blades are typically in the ~$200 range (with exceptions); whereas advanced blades are typically in the ~$500 – $600 range (with exceptions).  And with one exception, you can’t test drive a blade (the exception is Eclipse:  you can return a blade for a full refund within a 60-day trial period; I think that’s a great marketing strategy ... wish other manufacturers would follow suit).  Not many skaters (including coaches and skate techs) have direct personal experience with a variety of blades; so it’s hard to get advice.  And which blade is best depends strongly on the individual skater anyway; so what’s best for your coach, skate tech, or fellow skater may not be what’s best for you.

(2) With advanced blades, there are a large number of parameters to consider.   These include (not an exhaustive list):

(a) Main rocker radius
(b) Spin rocker radius
(c) Pick design and placement
(d) Heel length
(e) Longitudinal blade geometry (parallel, tapered, parabolic, and combo parabolic and tapered)
(f) Transverse  blade geometry (planar, concave side-honed, and dovetail side-honed)
(g) Blade thickness
(h) Stanchion height
(i) Runner (edge) material (various grades of carbon steel, various grades of stainless steel, and one unusual titanium alloy)
(j) Blade body and mounting plate material (various grades of carbon steel, various grades of stainless steel, aluminum alloy, titanium alloy, and carbon-fiber composite)
(k) Overall blade construction and method for attaching the runner to the blade body and mounting plates.

So you see, there’s a lot more than just the main rocker radius to be concerned about.  Which parameters are important to your skating is an open question.

I’m not as advanced a skater as you.  I don’t jump at all these days (most I ever did were half jumps);  I concentrate on edge work and trying hard to get a good scratch spin.  I skated many years on Coronation Ace, then switched to the Eclipse Aurora (also 7’ radius main rocker, but a flatter spin rocker).  I recently upgraded to the Paramount Freestyle 12”; similar to (but not identical to) the Wilson Gold Seal, with an 8’ radius main rocker and a 12” radius spin rocker.  My coach really loves Gold Seals, especially the spin rocker, and recommends that her students upgrade to them once they have enough edge control.  Until recently, I haven’t upgraded since I didn’t want to spring for the $$$, and I figured I didn’t need them since I don’t jump.  But she convinced me that I’d do better with the small radius spin rocker.  I chose Paramount instead because it offers a blade with a 12” radius spin rocker in 440C stainless steel.

I’ve just completed 10 sessions (1.5 hrs each) on the Paramounts.  With respect to edge work performed on the main rocker, there was surprisingly an instant noticeable difference between the 7’ radius and the 8’ radius. 

The first was the increased glide (increased speed and distance per push), on straight and curved trajectories and on cross-overs, both forwards and backwards.  Before, at times, I had trouble completing a full circle on a single push-off during figure 8’s.  No longer.  When practicing cross-overs along a full circle or along a figure 8 pattern across two end-zone circles, I have to deliberately slow down; else, I pick up too much speed.

The second was the increased stability.  I can do deeper knee bends and ankle bends, lean deeper into edges, and lean backwards more strongly.  It’s hard to describe, but I just feel more control ... I feel less likely to fall off an edge or off the heel.  I do regular practice drills with consecutive edges (outside and inside edges, forwards and backwards), and they are all tighter and smoother now. 

So, with respect to edge work on the main rocker, I’m really happy with the 8’ radius instead of the 7’ radius.  I wouldn’t switch back, and now I wish I had switched earlier.  Again, I’m (pleasantly) surprised at the results.  In summary, in considering options for an advanced blade, perhaps you shouldn’t limit yourself to a 7’ radius main rocker.  Caveat:  Not sure how the larger radius would affect a camel spin; perhaps someone else could address that.  At your level, I assume you're working with a coach?  You should ask your coach for compelling reasons why you should upgrade (or not).