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Title: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: jjane45 on July 08, 2011, 01:03:28 AM
There is a related question (http://skatingforums.com/index.php/topic,1698.0.html) for coaches on scheduling, I wonder what apps are useful for skater training specifically?

The only one on my phone right now is a simple time tracking app called My Work Clock. One click check-in and check out, using it to track when sharpening is due. What bothers me is most of the timesheet apps sums up hours based on fixed periods, at least this one can do annually instead of bi-weekly, sigh. (if you know a better, minimalistic app to track time, please let me know!)

I don't use phone for music and video, but guess those are common. Tips? :D
What about apps that track off-ice training?

Looking forward to creative ideas and interesting stories!!
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: skatingpasty on July 08, 2011, 07:07:41 AM
So far I haven't seen any apps like this, it would great if they had them. I presume you mean for ipod touch/iphone? or just normal phone apps?

Anyway the closest app I found on my ipod touch for skating is to tick off when you learn a new move (it shows the level and when to learn the next move for that level) overall I don't think it's that useful

I'll have a search about, it would be good to have an app that tells me when to do off-ice training, as I tell myself I should do it everyday but end up forgetting or not bothering :P
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: chowskates on July 08, 2011, 07:30:11 AM
I don't have an iPhone (I use Android) so havent' checked out this app:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/SK8Sports-Figure-Skating-iPhone-and-iTouch-App/146542928724540

Doesn't sound like what you're looking for, but might be interesting to take a look...
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: skatingpasty on July 08, 2011, 08:07:06 AM
I don't have an iPhone (I use Android) so havent' checked out this app:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/SK8Sports-Figure-Skating-iPhone-and-iTouch-App/146542928724540

Doesn't sound like what you're looking for, but might be interesting to take a look...

I'll see if I can download it - providing it's free (probably not) :P
Looks alright, but it just mainly shows the basic skills and few more 'advanced' moves it says, isn't that really what a coach is for?
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: jjane45 on July 08, 2011, 10:02:07 AM
Well jump or spin analysis would be great. Say tape your axel and compare it side by side with the sample axel jump stored in the app. Would be nice if a particular element is awol and you don't see the problem from just your jump. difficulties will include ensuring the same angle, same setup, and hopefully similar timing, but I can dream :-)

I have android too, smartphone in general please.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: Skate@Delaware on July 08, 2011, 11:19:03 AM
think I'll pass on this app, it's $20. and I only have an iTouch. I can see it probably would be useful if I had an iPhone

-"record yourself and analyze with the SK8 Sports recorder" and it allows you to draw on the screen i.e. point out corrections.

If there was something for choreography that also incorporates your music (i.e. offers voice prompts) that would be something!
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: FigureSpins on July 08, 2011, 12:12:21 PM
I can't tell if sk8sports' $20 app is a one-time fee or if it's an annual subscription.  I have a Palm Pre, so I'm completely shut out, lol.  Still, if requirements change, the application should be updated.  The $20 is interesting: I think it's a good price point.  Much better than the $30 (plus "processing fees") that most figure skating-related organizations charge. 

I had thought this would be a coaches' application, because it was promoted on the PSA Facebook page.  I guess a coach with an iPhone could use it during lessons for the video portion, but the games aren't relevant.  As it turns out, it's for skaters who are willing to shell out $20 for a self-help tool.

The site does state that it's intended to augment lessons, not replace coaching.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: Sk8Dreams on July 08, 2011, 12:26:42 PM
I'm with Skate@Delaware, $20 is a lot more that I would spend.  The update/subscription issue raised by FigureSpins is a good one.  Another reason to pass on this app.  FWIW, I video examples of jumps that I don't do, so I can show my students.  The video capabilities on my iPhone 4 are awesome.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: AgnesNitt on August 12, 2011, 05:39:01 PM
Just messing around on my new iPad and I discovered a couple of apps that are meant for the iPhone/ipod touch. They apparently are meant to help coaches/parents score a routine.

Figure It - http://www.figureitapp.com

and
Sk8 Score! - http://cooltoolapps.appspot.com/sk8-score

There are no written reviews.


Mod note: Threads merged
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: Isk8NYC on November 11, 2011, 06:20:39 PM
Sk8sports put a note on their Facebook page that a free upgrade is now available.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/SK8Sports-Figure-Skating-iPhone-and-iTouch-App/146542928724540 (http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/SK8Sports-Figure-Skating-iPhone-and-iTouch-App/146542928724540)

"Please update to newest version, free of charge for paid customers, to view videos."

"SK8Sports-Figure Skating iPhone and iTouch App

New improvements are now available on the sk8sports Iphone App! The sports analysis videos you take of your students may now be sent by email, posted on Facebook and also Youtube. Try it out today! How exciting to send a students first axel to the parent!"
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: PinkLaces on November 15, 2011, 12:39:37 AM
My coach uses a golf app on the ipad.  It's kind of a poor man's dartfish.  It only works on jumps though because it has a short video analysis. 

You take a video with your iphone or ipad.  Then you open the app and get the video from your camera roll. Hit choose.  It decompresses the video and allows you to see the jump frame by frame. You can walk it through in slow motion forward and backward.  You can also use a line tool to show what angle your body is in the air.  There is also a oval and rectangle tool.  I suppose you could use those to highlight something.

The app is called iSwing and is $4.99.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: irenar5 on November 15, 2011, 01:21:18 AM
I have an app on my ipad (and iphone) called VideoPix.  It is a slow motion player on which you can select the rate of playback or go frame by frame. It is 99 cents and definitely worth it!  I use it a lot myself when I am trying to correct something right on the ice.
Also USFSA just put out a few apps out through Rink Tank Interactive- search for the app maker and all the released apps come up. 
I have not bought any, though, so can't comment on the content.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: singerskates on January 28, 2012, 02:29:09 PM
Wow, I haven't been on here for a long time. Anyway, apps, skating and Smart Phones, right?

I haven't come across a specific skating app for coaches but I did find a hard to get app called " FSCal" by allmax75 http://android-apps.com/applications/sports-applications/figure-skating-score-cal/# or http://www.appbrain.com/browse/dev/allmax75 http://www.androidsoftware.us/plus/download.php?open=0&aid=9386&cid=3

This is a great tool for planning your skating programs technically if you get marked with COP, IJS or in Canada CPC when competing. This allows you to figure out what your programs potential is technically. Although you can only choose between Men, Women, short and long. Because I skate in Canada Adult Bronze, I must choose the Womens short program of .8 when clicking on "Set Factor" for the PCS which is as close as I can get to how our Canadian PCS are for Adult Bronze to Adult Masters FS. In the US and abroad just choose the Women's long program "Set Factor" of 1.6 And then click in what your coach thinks/says your PCS across the board are. This will give you an idea of what kind of mark to expect sort of.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: Skate@Delaware on January 28, 2012, 02:36:44 PM
I don't have an iPhone (I use Android) so havent' checked out this app:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/SK8Sports-Figure-Skating-iPhone-and-iTouch-App/146542928724540

Doesn't sound like what you're looking for, but might be interesting to take a look...
Ok, my coach has this app on her iPhone. She uses the Sports Recorder to video her students doing different elements (jumps/spins/etc).  You can play it back and zoom in, slow down etc. For that part, it's great! You can see what you are doing wrong/right...draw on the screen and see where you SHOULD have your different parts etc.

You can also watch different videos of elements as done by a skater and do the same thing. Still no side-by-side presentation though (that would best be seen on the iPad though). 

The videos are in high-resolution, which makes it nice.  Some elements are missing (I can't remember which ones).
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: hopskipjump on January 28, 2012, 03:32:58 PM
We like the sk8 app!  The only downfall is that is has mostly jumps and spins and some things aren't on it like stars.  There aren't many connecting or artistic moves.  But for a quick reference it is nice and easy to use.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: Sk8tmum on January 28, 2012, 09:47:37 PM
We like the sk8 app!  The only downfall is that is has mostly jumps and spins and some things aren't on it like stars.  There aren't many connecting or artistic moves.  But for a quick reference it is nice and easy to use.

What are "stars?"  And, only jumps and spins get points under the Scale of Values  ... at least in Canada - is it different in the US?

I am going to try to pull the Android app onto my Android phone, as it seems intriguing. Me, I generally take the planned program content for the kid's programs and put it into Excel, then, it is updated with the season's SOV.  It's pretty easy - and I can upload the Excel file on my husband's BlackBerry or my own Playbook and edit it there easily, if I don't feel like lugging my laptop around.  I don't play with the PCS, just do the technical point value.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: hopskipjump on January 29, 2012, 03:26:47 PM
I'm not sure!  Dd did something in class that was called stars but she couldn't remember what it was!  So we thought to look it up and couldn't find it.

Another that was she had to learn were fouette turns on the ice.  It's not an ice skating element, but it's beautiful on the ice.  There are just "pretty" things that I'm sure don't count for points.  With the program you are really just getting standard jumps and spins.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: MimiG on January 29, 2012, 06:13:00 PM
Stars are toe-assisted three-turns done in a camel spin-like position, usually done into a camel spin (or arabian or butterfly...)
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: hopskipjump on January 29, 2012, 06:17:50 PM
Yes - that is it!  Anyway - they are not on the app.  :D  We saw some today in the men's programs.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: Orianna2000 on February 19, 2012, 08:57:07 PM
I just downloaded an app that I really like. Search for "US Figure Skating" in the app store and it will come up with all the versions they have. Looks like there's one for each category: Basic Skills, Adult, Freeskate, Dance, Artistry, Snowplow, Pairs, Synchro, Hockey, Special Olympics, and Speed. I'm in Adult 2, so I got the one called "Adult" and it's a neat little app. It costs $1.99 and for that you get a checklist of each required move for Adult 1-4, and when you click on the move, it starts a video demonstration. You can pause the video, or watch it in slow motion, which is useful.

I take it along to practice sessions, so I can remind myself what moves to work on and what they look like. Without it, I tend to skate around aimlessly, doing nothing but swizzles.

The only downside is there's no sound on the video, so you don't get any instructions--just a demonstration of the move. But for me, that's enough to remind me of what to do. With some moves, you get the beginner's version and the advanced version, and sometimes it will show the same move from different angles. All in all, I found it worth the $2.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: FigureSpins on February 19, 2012, 09:28:51 PM
You should buy the Basic 1-8 app and start working on those skills.  Some of them you'll already know from the Adult levels, but there are a lot of gaps in the Adult curriculum, unless all you want to do is ice dancing.

The Mazurka demo on Basic 8 is spectacular and the slow motion replay is absolutely perfect! 
No bogus side toe hop or "turn on the toepick/bunny hop" imitation Mazurkas.

FWIW, a lot of the Basic Skills are also ISI skills, so you can use their "How To" descriptions for either LTS system.
http://www.metroedgefsc.org/page/show/241417-ice-skating-institute
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: Orianna2000 on February 19, 2012, 09:48:46 PM
You should buy the Basic 1-8 app and start working on those skills.  Some of them you'll already know from the Adult levels, but there are a lot of gaps in the Adult curriculum, unless all you want to do is ice dancing.
I'll consider that, thanks. Right now, I'm barely keeping up with the Adult skills, not sure I can add anything new to the mix without drowning, but once I'm a little more advanced, I'll talk to my instructor about going back and adding some Basic skills.  :)
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: slcbelle on February 29, 2012, 01:40:46 PM
I just downloaded an app that I really like. Search for "US Figure Skating" in the app store and it will come up with all the versions they have. Looks like there's one for each category: Basic Skills, Adult, Freeskate, Dance, Artistry, Snowplow, Pairs, Synchro, Hockey, Special Olympics, and Speed.

I bought the apps as well:  Basic 1-8, Adult 1-4, and Freeskate.  They helped me confirm that I do want to Freeskate and are making me lean toward taking Basic 1-8 rather than Adult 1-4.  And, I can take them to rink when I'm alone to remember what to practice.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: Isk8NYC on February 29, 2012, 02:03:01 PM
The USFSA curriculum charts are here: http://www.usfsa.org/Programs.asp?id=47

(I know, not the same as a video, but handy to keep in your skate bag anyway.)
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: jjane45 on March 19, 2012, 11:53:31 PM
I know it was mentioned in other threads already, but metronome app works great for ice dance timing.

Anything off ice training for figure skaters?
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: Isk8NYC on March 22, 2012, 08:53:11 AM
Saw this app this morning:

http://www.thehockeyseason.com/sharpsk8s/

It has a bunch of features to track on-ice time and calculate when you need to get a sharpening done.
Supposedly, it helps you track your sharpening punch cards so they don't go to waste. 
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: FigureSpins on April 23, 2012, 12:24:11 PM
Sorry if this has already been posted:

Skaterbase is an Android app for logging skate sharpening, practice sessions and other activities like lessons. 

http://digitalapplicationdesign.com/cms/view-content/6/Skaterbase.html

Didn't see an a version for the Apple market, sorry.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: jjane45 on August 30, 2012, 10:46:38 AM
Not exactly skating related, but I sometimes use TubeMate on Android to download skating vids to my phone for reference. Hmmm maybe it's a good idea to convert some instructional skating video from DVD to MP4/FLV and save a copy on the phone too?
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: alejeather on August 30, 2012, 01:51:47 PM
Skaterbase is an Android app for logging skate sharpening, practice sessions and other activities like lessons. 

http://digitalapplicationdesign.com/cms/view-content/6/Skaterbase.html

Didn't see an a version for the Apple market, sorry.

Very interesting! If they had this for iOS, I'd be downloading it right now!

I had thought about creating something similar at one point, to track ice time and see what my patterns of practice hours looked like over time, but I never thought about tying it to sharpenings. Very nice indeed.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: jjane45 on August 30, 2012, 02:12:43 PM
Very interesting! If they had this for iOS, I'd be downloading it right now!

I had thought about creating something similar at one point, to track ice time and see what my patterns of practice hours looked like over time, but I never thought about tying it to sharpenings. Very nice indeed.

It's a more comprehensive app than I thought, attempting to record ice time / lesson costs and progress. TBH I'd rather NOT know how much I spend on skating :/

I used to track the exact on ice time but it was too much hassle, now I just go by number of days with "Days since" app on Android. (along with many other things I track with the handy app)

Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: FigureSpins on February 09, 2013, 10:26:26 AM
The incredible "Mr Edge" has an Android app available that sounds great; if only I had an Android device or it ran on iOS.

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The Ask Mr. Edge app includes features such as a skate sharpening reminder, daily planner which includes a calendar to keep track of your schedule, a directory you can add all your friends, team mates, and coaches to so you can easily keep in contact with one another. Submit your photos and share them with your friends, and more!

SKATING COACHES: The Ask Mr. Edge Mobile app also includes an easy to use student billing system which every Skating Coach can benefit and profit from. Track lesson times and other expenses including off ice training, travel expenses and more. The Ask Mr. Edge Mobile app allows coaches direct e-mail billing to each student, instantly using your mobile device.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.barebonesdev.askmredge&feature=search_result

They're offering a trial version for free.  The full version is 99¢.  If you buy it, I'd love to read a review.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: Steve Monks on February 24, 2013, 11:39:54 AM
For anyone interested in Skaterbase, it's now available for the iPhone too.

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Sorry if this has already been posted:

Skaterbase is an Android app for logging skate sharpening, practice sessions and other activities like lessons. 

http://digitalapplicationdesign.com/cms/view-content/6/Skaterbase.html

Didn't see an a version for the Apple market, sorry.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: FigureSpins on February 24, 2013, 05:39:34 PM
I bought it but its definitely for the skater, not a coach.  Be careful when you set up new "sessions" because the name can't be edited once its saved.  Oh and be sure to save before leaving the Setup screen.  If you navigate off the screen, all entries are lost.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: Steve Monks on February 25, 2013, 04:15:48 PM
You can edit a "Session Type" on the iOS version as follows;

On the screen showing a list of Session Types, press hold the entry you want to edit for a couple of seconds and it will take you to the "Edit Type" screen where you can make any changes you need. The same goes for "Activity Types" too.


I bought it but its definitely for the skater, not a coach.  Be careful when you set up new "sessions" because the name can't be edited once its saved.  Oh and be sure to save before leaving the Setup screen.  If you navigate off the screen, all entries are lost.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: FigureSpins on April 25, 2013, 06:44:43 PM
Randy Gardner has an app coming out soon:

http://therink.pro/

Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: Isk8NYC on May 27, 2013, 05:21:52 PM
Skaterbase has been upgraded to include new features.

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The latest version of Skaterbase has just hit the App Store adding some nifty new features, including;

* Metronome presets for over thirty popular ice dances.

* Element Timing Utility - time your elements as you perform your routine. Send the completed element list via email using the integrated Element and Timing List exporter.

* Beats Per Minute Calculator - tap along to the beat of a piece of music to determine its tempo.

* The IJS calculator now supports combination lift score calculations in couples free dance programs as well as highlight distribution in pairs free.

Download it now!

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/skaterbase/id569830704?mt=8

Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: Steve Monks on May 30, 2013, 11:44:49 AM
Thanks for posting that. Since the earlier posts, Skaterbase for iPhone/iPod touch has had two significant updates and now also includes a program designer with an integrated IJS score calculator. The designer allows you to add elements and steps then plot out the pattern on a representation of the rink.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: alejeather on May 30, 2013, 01:06:40 PM
Thanks for posting that. Since the earlier posts, Skaterbase for iPhone/iPod touch has had two significant updates and now also includes a program designer with an integrated IJS score calculator. The designer allows you to add elements and steps then plot out the pattern on a representation of the rink.

I played around with this feature a little bit. I couldn't find a waltz jump anywhere in the list of jumps. Maybe it was in footwork? I also didn't find a pivot, but I didn't look very hard. Maybe that's because they're not elements that have any value in IJS? Just a little bit of minor feedback. Unimportant, but the sound the app makes when you add an element to a program totally freaked out the dog!  88)
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: Steve Monks on May 30, 2013, 03:35:41 PM
Thanks for the feedback, it's always useful to hear what people think of the app.

You're spot on about the Waltz Jump, the built in elements are indeed just those with IJS scores. The built in steps should cover everything found in most of the well known pattern dances, but with over 400 steps and elements built in it's easy to miss a few. However, if any steps or elements you require are missing or you want steps in your own terms rather than the ISU codes you can add them yourself.

To do this, open a program, select the "Add Steps" view, pick the category you want to add to, then press "pencil" icon near the top right of the display, this takes you to the "Customise Steps" view. From here you can add whatever you need.

Apologies for upsetting your dog.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: DrillingSkills on June 16, 2013, 10:26:22 AM
One app I've found rather useful on my iPad is called Ubersense, and it's free. It allows you to film yourself and then group videos by element and person (skater or coach, for example), and watch the videos in regular speed, slow-motion, or even scroll through the video at your own pace (forward or backward, to find the motion of interest, for example a free leg coming through). You can also record your coach's comments over the video, draw on a frame, or show 2 videos simultaneously, either side-by-side or overlapped. You can set different start points for the videos to make sure the elements are synchronized, too. Overall, a great app, and it's free so no complaints! You need to register for some features but that's also free and they send very few emails.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: Nate on June 25, 2013, 04:03:28 PM
Dartgish express.

They have a free companion desktop app that is very useful as well.

Coach's eye is also quite good.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: FigureSpins on June 25, 2013, 04:14:31 PM
One app I've found rather useful on my iPad is called Ubersense, and it's free.

I saw Ubersense and Dartfish when I was trolling for apps last week.  I don't think Ubersense has the online viewing portal; most of the comments talk about emailing videos to students.  They do offer a lot of features for free, though.  For instant review, it's perfect.

The Dartfish app is interesting - 99¢ currently, which is a great price, undercutting similar products.  They made a boatload of money with their very-expensive video/PC setup so they're a little late to the game.  They offer an online sharing portal (like Coaches' Eye,) so if you were already a Dartfish user, that would be attractive.

I don't really record/watch myself skate, I use it for teaching others, so ymmv.  It's certainly more convenient to have instant review on my ipad rinkside than use a computer later on.  Much easier than using a video camera, with far more features.  I like not having to transfer things to the computer.

I decided that the two apps didn't offer anything different from Coaches' Eye, which I use all the time on my ipod and ipad. 
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: Nate on June 25, 2013, 05:46:22 PM
The reason I prefer Dartfish Express on iOS is because of their Dartfish Player app for Windows PC/Laptop:  http://www.dartfish.tv/DartfishPlayer.aspx (http://www.dartfish.tv/DartfishPlayer.aspx)
 
It allows you to download all of your videos from their portal and play them back on your desktop, frame by frame, slow motion, etc.  For someone who doesn't want to deal with more complicated Video Analysis software like Kinovea, it doesn't really get much better than that for ease of use and having what you need to do most of what you'd need to get done on an elementary level.

For more serious Analysis a Windows Laptop + Kinova is better.  You can simply use 720p to record the video and put it on the PC (use a device that can sync over WiFi and it's perfect and seamless) and then analyze it in Kinovea.
 
Coach's Eye is good, but they're actally a bit slow in adding features (and fixing bugs).  Dartfish Express was late, but on iOS they have already eclipsed Coach's Eye for usefulness; like being able to set the App to record in High Def, full screen analysis, etc.
 
I've never tried UberSense, but free is hard to beat.
 
I don't use any of those apps anymore, because I started using desktop software and the kinds of stuff you can do with the video is kind of amazing - to an extent that the smartphone apps don't seem very useful anymore.  What I do is record all the raw footage and then just deal with it when I get home - then I go to work on it.
 
I was thinking about doing a quick tutorial on some of this for people who are interested.  I may post that soon.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: alejeather on June 25, 2013, 06:07:52 PM
I don't use any of those apps anymore, because I started using desktop software and the kinds of stuff you can do with the video is kind of amazing - to an extent that the smartphone apps don't seem very useful anymore.  What I do is record all the raw footage and then just deal with it when I get home - then I go to work on it.
 
I was thinking about doing a quick tutorial on some of this for people who are interested.  I may post that soon.

I'd be interested in this. I use video a lot, but in a very simple way and it'd be great to get an introduction to what else I can do with it.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: jjane45 on June 25, 2013, 06:11:27 PM
I'd be interested in this. I use video a lot, but in a very simple way and it'd be great to get an introduction to what else I can do with it.

+1

what coaches can do on the rink side is invaluable. for skater's own analysis desktop solution sounds great.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: Nate on June 26, 2013, 10:45:25 AM
+1

what coaches can do on the rink side is invaluable. for skater's own analysis desktop solution sounds great.
I'll work on something and have it ready after I go to the rink again and get some HD video recorded.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: HannahLouise on July 31, 2013, 01:57:47 PM
Need to know exactly what every one is looking for in an app!

Currently in the process of developing apps and would love to create a couple of apps for skating.

I've got a skating game coming out just before the Winter Olympics next year so if there's a skating specific app (not a game) that you think should be on the market, let me know!

Of course it will be free, but there will be a few ads (very discrete as I don't believe in making your viewing experience boring) or for £0.69 remove all ads and unlock bonus content.

(Sorry if this process takes until after or around easter as I'm almost 16 so still at school!)

Thank you in advance and, happy skating!  :angel:
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: 1cesk8er on August 02, 2013, 04:14:29 PM
My coach uses ubersense, for ipod and ipad. It is really cool! Wish I could get it on Android.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: FigureSpins on January 20, 2014, 03:41:09 PM
So...RinkTank produced the USFSA's Sk8Coach app series for their Basic Skills program.  RinkTank is launching a new series of "elite" skating apps.  There are apps for jumps with Michael Weiss and Ice Dance with Lang & Tchernyshev planned.  There's another app with 100 skating skills; the demo shows some high-level footwork.

http://www.rink-tank.com/Rink_Tank_Interactive/Trailers.html

Watch the "jumps" trailer on the link above, then check out the behind-the-scenes video of Michael Weiss doing a backflip over the videographer lying on the ice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3GQ7pGdAjw


YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/RinkTankInteractive?feature=watch
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: skategeek on August 12, 2015, 11:32:46 AM
Reviving this thread… for anyone interested, Rink Tank Interactive has just updated the Adult 1-6 app (now covering 1-6 instead of the old 1-4 levels).  The Basic Skills 1-8 app and some of the others have already been updated with improved descriptions, etc. 

(I really want to update the Adult app but it looks like I'll need to do a system update first so it'll have to wait until tonight…)
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: littlerain on August 16, 2015, 03:42:54 PM
Oh nice! Thanks for the update
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: skategeek on August 16, 2015, 04:00:10 PM
I've got it now and I've been through the whole thing looking at all the videos.  Pretty good so far as I can tell, though there are a couple of glitches.  In Adult 6, the Lunge description has the written description for backwards crossovers to landing position instead, and the video is for the spiral, not lunge.  I assume those bugs will be fixed in an update (something similar happened for Basic 1-8).  For Perimeter Stroking with Crossover End Patterns, though, there's something that might actually be an error, or at least confusing.  The description reads "The skater will perform four alternating forward crossovers separated by strong forward inside edge transitions.  The end pattern consists of a minimum of three crossovers.  Instructors should have students practice inside edges down the long axis.  Draw pattern on ice (Use Adult Bronze MIF pattern)"  But the video appears to show the skater simply doing forward stroking down the long side of the ice, with crossovers along the short side.  Does anyone know which is correct?
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: littlerain on August 17, 2015, 01:39:47 AM
I would guess that the element for adult 6 would be what was shown in the video. The description appears to be very similar to the perimeter stroking in the adult bronze test, which does not seem level appropriate for adult 6?
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: skategeek on August 17, 2015, 08:27:22 PM
That's what it looks like to me.  I'm wondering if I should write them about it, but I'm hoping to get more confirmation of what's correct before I do.  If it's really just that the wrong description was pasted in, that seems like a much easier fix than if the video was done incorrectly.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: FigureSpins on August 18, 2015, 07:58:21 AM
Another bug is that the second half of the Adult 6-Bunny Hop video should have the on-screen title of "Bunny Hop / Straight Free Leg" instead of "Name / Description." 

I'll report the Lunge and Bunny Hop glitches to Mark Fitzgerald at Rink Tank.  He's usually pretty good at fixing things quickly.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: FigureSpins on August 18, 2015, 08:12:40 AM
I don't see anything wrong with the perimeter stroking video, per se, but the description is misleading.  This IS supposed to be the Perimeter Stroking pattern from Adult Pre-Bronze and Pre-Preliminary Moves in the Field.  However, the entry steps are optional on that pattern. 

The app lists the demonstrators' intro steps, but you don't have to do those particular steps for a class evaluation or Moves test.  The demonstrator starts out facing the short wall and does her intro across the hockey crease line, which is a little confusing when the description talks about long axis but the description is correct.   I teach it with two strong strokes along that short axis followed by a single forward crossover as the intro before starting the pattern.

The "strong forward inside edge transitions" is a fancy-schmancy way of describing forward stroking.  The judges want to see bend, shift and push.  The demonstrator is heading down the long axis of the ice, which is correct.

The five crossovers at each end are intriguing: one in the corner to start the curve along the short axis, one above the hockey circle, one above the goalie box, another above the second hockey circle, then one more in the corner, almost heading down the ice.  I usually for "less is more" by using four crossovers on the end pattern, but I might try that with my smaller skaters since kids don't count.  I was afraid that letting them do six would cause them to do 26!  Five is do-able.


Would you please report this particular issue to the developer?  I think that a question coming from one of their target users would be helpful.  (vs. an old instructor/coach who skated ISI.  ;-) )  The email to use is info@rink-tank.com
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: skategeek on August 18, 2015, 08:16:53 AM
Thanks, will do!
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: skategeek on August 18, 2015, 08:37:23 AM
Another slightly confusing thing, though I don't think it's incorrect:  In Adult 4, one skill is "Backward Crossover to Landing Position"  In Adult 6, there's "Backwards Crossovers to a Backward Outside Edge Glide (Landing Position)."  The app uses the same video clip for both levels, showing "beginning" (single crossover), intermediate (multiple crossovers), and advanced (three turn, multiple crossovers).  I don't think it's incorrect, but maybe it would be less confusing to users if the caption said "beginning (Adult 4)" and "intermediate (Adult 6"?
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: FigureSpins on August 18, 2015, 10:57:26 AM
In the Instructors Manual, it does list both with very similar Objectives and Focus Points, but different Teaching Tips.  I agree that it's confusing in the curriculum to list the same skill twice so the app could help clarify the progression from beginning to intermediate/advanced.  Good suggestion - pass it to Mark.

FYI:
https://www.facebook.com/rink.tank/posts/809979245768108?comment_id=809981772434522&offset=0&total_comments=2&notif_t=mentions_comment

I take no credit for anything other than the mislabeled bunny hop, lol.  I had his email handy so I just quickly dashed off a message; I didn't mean to create a shadow.  Because I've sent him bug reports in the past, he probably appreciated the effort and wanted to give me a "attagirl."  Not due - I've been away so I only updated the app this morning to see what skategeek was describing.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: skategeek on August 18, 2015, 11:06:36 AM
No worries!  He e-mailed back and said he'd look at my feedback and make corrections.  Just found him on FB, thanks to your link.  (Apparently there are two different Rink Tank pages and I'm on the other one that only deals with official announcements, etc.  I didn't really want to post a bunch of errors on their public page.)
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: FigureSpins on August 18, 2015, 11:12:38 AM
I agree: if you make an comment on the App Store page, it's there forever and (to my mind) that just confuses people after the fix has been made.  That's why I suggested email. 

Hopefully, our Basic Skills program will get the badges for Adult 5 & 6 because they're still using the 1-4 curriculum. I'd rather use the new curriculum.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: skategeek on August 18, 2015, 11:25:43 AM
My rink is ISI (and for the adults, doesn't really focus on following the curriculum or doing testing), but I've been keeping track on my own of my progress through the USFSA skills.  Passed Adult 1 and 2 at a different rink last summer, and I can do most of Adult 3 and some of 4.  I'm thinking about doing the NJ Basic Skills competition series this year, too.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: skategeek on August 19, 2015, 07:35:15 AM
Heard back and he's going to get the revised app posted asap.  Apparently a couple of the glitches (some of the captions) had already been fixed but somehow got dropped from the uploaded version.  He'll fix the others, too.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: littlerain on August 20, 2015, 12:15:34 AM
Yay! Nice work guys :)
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: Isk8NYC on October 20, 2020, 12:01:32 PM
New App from a skating coach and programmer, for MOVES IN THE FIELD!  Finally!

https://danatang.com/

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/skating-mitf/id1482659435

Price says "Free, with in-app purchases" -- 99¢/test level, but it looks like that's just for the "Quiz" to test the user's knowledge.  (I could be wrong; I only downloaded it a few minutes ago.)

I like the layout - you choose the Standard/Adult/Adaptive level, then you can select each test level.
Within each test level, every pattern is listed along with the overall test expectations, etc.

For each pattern, everything you need is available, either within the app or via a link to the US Figure Skating resources/rulebook page.
WONDERFUL: no more searching in the rulebook pdf to find the patterns!
The downsides are that you need internet access for your device if you want to use this -and- it links to the entire rulebook online, so it gets downloaded to your browser.  I keep a copy of the most-current rulebook on my ipad, but there's no way for the app to access that document.  It opens a new browser window and downloads the rulebook, which is quite big, every time you click on a pattern. 

There's a nice, clear video of each pattern being performed at a passing standard.  Standards seem to vary from judge to judge and area to area, but the videos I peeked at look accurate.

It's very much a work-in-progress.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: AgnesNitt on October 20, 2020, 08:17:53 PM
I have the moves app. The videos are nice. I just paid for the whole thing at once
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: LunarSkater on November 07, 2020, 06:36:20 PM
Gonna brag a bit... I'm demonstrating some of the videos in that app.  :)

The coach who created it is really nice and fun to work with. I love the app.
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: FigureSpins on November 09, 2020, 01:11:14 PM
I have the moves app. The videos are nice. I just paid for the whole thing at once

How?  The app lets me pay for the quizzes, one at a time.  Is that what you did, or is there a "One payment for all" option that I missed?

Gonna brag a bit... I'm demonstrating some of the videos in that app.  :)

The coach who created it is really nice and fun to work with. I love the app.

Bravo!  I had a convo with her via FB Messenger.  She's on the ball and my students are really "getting" things now that I can make them stand still and watch the demos.
(When I demonstrate, they try to mimic without watching.  Waste of my time and a real risk, as I point out to them every time.)

It would be really great if she could talk through the steps during the demonstration, with a voice over.  Ex: Waltz Eight - "Push onto forward outside edge, hold for a count of three while bending knee and keeping upper body checked into the turn, lift heel and turn on the front of the blade.  Now, stay upright, check hip back and hold backward inside edge for a count of three with head turned in direction of travel....

I'm tired of repeating myself all the time and being everyone's memory  bank.  (Me: "Look in the direction you're traveling." Them: "Oh.  I forgot.")
Title: Re: ipad/ipod touch/iphone apps for skating
Post by: LunarSkater on November 11, 2020, 08:26:04 AM
It would be really great if she could talk through the steps during the demonstration, with a voice over.  Ex: Waltz Eight - "Push onto forward outside edge, hold for a count of three while bending knee and keeping upper body checked into the turn, lift heel and turn on the front of the blade.  Now, stay upright, check hip back and hold backward inside edge for a count of three with head turned in direction of travel....

I'm tired of repeating myself all the time and being everyone's memory  bank.  (Me: "Look in the direction you're traveling." Them: "Oh.  I forgot.")

That is a great idea! I don't know her future plans for the app (we're at rinks several hours apart; we filmed before a test session), but I know she's constantly working on it.

Everyone's memory bank! I love it... and it's so true.