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On the Ice => Sitting on the Boards Rink Side => Topic started by: hopskipjump on August 09, 2011, 10:29:04 PM
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Watching this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge3PND_8Ar0
1. Does this have a name at 3:33 (I know it's a lunge, but the knee up thing and back to a lunge).
2. At 3:43 - what is the part of this spin called where she drops down to a low position?
I appreciate any help!
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I'm sorry I don't know the answers to either of your questions, but do you know what level this is? It was some seriously good skating.
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It's Courtney Hicks - she competed in the senior level this weekend.
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OK thanks, I couldnt tell who it was because Im watchijg on my teensy phone screen. :)
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She is sure action packed!
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That thing with the lunge with the foot change. I've seen Johnny Weir do that for one of his Russian programs. I think it's supposed to resemble cossack dancing (the hopak?)
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Watching this video: <snip>
1. Does this have a name at 3:33 (I know it's a lunge, but the knee up thing and back to a lunge).
2. At 3:43 - what is the part of this spin called where she drops down to a low position?
I appreciate any help!
1. No name afaik - it's a lunge, she comes up on the knee, turns the foot/free leg open to drag the blade tail, then back into a lunge.
2. The downward swing is called an Illusion. It wasn't spectacular - the free leg should really come up in the air behind her like a see-saw. The combination spin was beautiful to watch.
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Are you sure she was trying an illusion? (I'm assuming the part you are calling that was the entry?)
It looked to me like she just dipped down on the camel entry, rather than staying level. Her leg didn't go up at all.
Unless illusion is considered a difficult entry also, to get an illusion as a feature you have to do 3 of them, so this wouldn't count as that.
Mirai did illusions in her final spin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWrkulGNHfo (around 2:53) although she could improve it too.
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An Illusion would be considered a difficult entry to a camel spin, and I do think that's what was choreographed. She only made a half-hearted attempt at it before going into the camel. She looked off-balance or tired. It's very early in the season, so this was just a tune-up competition.
A single pass is called an "Illusion." Repeated three or more time as a spin, it's called an "Illusion Spin."
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I think the OP means Twhicks Pretzel bit closer to 3:52, right before the sit spin (it's her own creation) - there was a quick clip of it in the RISE skating show after the movie, and I remember looking it up then because I was pretty impressed.
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Oh, I thought she meant the entrance move where she dips down. That makes more sense.
That was awesome at Nationals last year - really a trademark move.
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An Illusion would be considered a difficult entry to a camel spin, and I do think that's what was choreographed. She only made a half-hearted attempt at it before going into the camel. She looked off-balance or tired. It's very early in the season, so this was just a tune-up competition.
A single pass is called an "Illusion." Repeated three or more time as a spin, it's called an "Illusion Spin."
Can you cite where you found that an illusion is a difficult entry? I can't find anything in the technical document: http://www.isu.org/vsite/vfile/page/fileurl/0,11040,4844-197593-214816-125742-0-file,00.pdf except for it being a difficult variation (with 3 of them). Difficult entries seem to be limited to flying entries and their variations and backward entries.
I'm not really sure a single one counts as any sort of feature in a spin. I do know that many skaters would use a single illusion in footwork.
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I didn't say it was a feature - you did and you're right: only if there are three or more revolutions.
Using a difficult entrance wouldn't change the level, it just boosts the "soft" points.
FWIW, it looks like you're right: she just blew the entrance to the camel spin last weekend. No illusion intended.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA0dBZnxfcs
Same spin, different competition, no illusion.
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I didn't say it was a feature - you did and you're right: only if there are three or more revolutions.
Using a difficult entrance wouldn't change the level, it just boosts the "soft" points.
I know this is getting a little off topic, but I'm trying to figure out how all the judging works. A difficult entrance, as defined by the technical manual, DOES boost the level of the spin (or at least give it a bullet point towards boosting the level), doesn't it? This just isn't one of the defined difficult entrances. (No doubt, it would be a hard entrance though, if that was what is intended.)
So if someone did do an illusion to enter a spin, it would only count as a hopeful boost to GOE? Which is probably why no one does it- because it is better to use the difficult entrances that do gain levels, right?
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At that level of skating, it's almost a throwaway move - Jason Brown does a single Illusion in his footwork.
It's more to demonstrate artistry and control than to gain "features." I really wasn't thinking about the Illusion in terms of IJS points, it really is a difficult entrance to the camel spin, regardless of what the Tech Spec says.
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Would an illusion in footwork count as a height change since the body goes so far down?
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Twhicks Pretzel - yes that is the part I was asking about - when she goes down. It's an interesting drop - it looks almost impossible. But now I know why I haven't seen it before. :D
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She is a very lovely skater!
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Twhicks Pretzel - yes that is the part I was asking about - when she goes down. It's an interesting drop - it looks almost impossible. But now I know why I haven't seen it before. :D
Wow! I hope she got bonus marks for creativity as I've never seen anyone drop into a sit position from a catch foot camel position (in variation).
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Yes, it's unusual, that's why it's called the "Tw'Hicks position" (as a play on twist and Hicks)