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Spectator Skating Discussions / Re: Olympic music- why all the covers?
« Last post by 4711 on February 20, 2018, 10:34:11 PM »
I noticed that a lot of the songs had English lyrics, which surprised me.

The world listens to English music.
Spectator Skating Discussions / Interesting take on the costume problem
« Last post by 4711 on February 20, 2018, 10:30:10 PM »
I can't watch the competition, because I work, and with no more cable, I have to just dream it up.
Not that the American TV would have shown it...not the top contenders...

Wardrobe malfunctions.

Not the kind of 'Olympic Exposure' one dreams of...

But an interesting break down by a designer.
Parents/Coaches Archive / Re: DD wants to join synchro team
« Last post by alejeather on February 20, 2018, 03:50:51 PM »
A lot of synchro teams require you to continue to take private lessons outside of synchro. If it's what she's interested in, then I say go for it! Even though synchro takes place on ice in figure skates, I think there are aspects of the sport which make it very different, and it's a good venue for people who like to skate and perform but are not as interested in going for individual glory.
Media Center / Re: The Quint
« Last post by Query on February 20, 2018, 02:13:20 PM »
There are some obvious things to do, that might make it slightly more possible:

1. Right now, it is considered bad to start or end the rotation on the ice. There should still be 5 rotations in the air, but the torso could start rotating on the ice, and you could start to go into landing position after hitting it (the latter is sometimes already true, but I think they deduct GOE points.)

Change that, for quints, and that would effectively leave you a lot more time in the air to complete the rotations, that isn't spent slowing down or speeding up those rotations.

2. Make more bouncy soles. There is a clear trade-off here: the more bounce, the less control. Put people on big shock absorbers, and it is obvious you wouldn't have the precise control needed for figure skating. I'm not sure where the break even point would be, but I am pretty sure other skating skills would suffer first if you add much more bounce.

I have tried to find information on USFSA and ISU websites about rules for boots and soles. AFAICT, for the most part, there aren't any. That's not quite true: they have to have a single blade with two edges, and the manufacturer's visible mark can't be too large - but that says nothing about bouncy soles, or even about mechanical aids - though if people started using mechanical aids like spring loaded devices, gas shocks, powered exoskeletons, etc., I assume it would be banned very fast. Maybe it already is, somewhere I haven't looked, e.g., in IOC regulations.

In many other sports, people use bouncy soles in their shoes. In fact, if you buy a good pair of sneakers (tennis shoes, running shoes, basketball shoes, aerobic shoes, cross-training shoes, etc.), they probably have them.

In theory, bouncy insoles/footbeds are easier on the body, and reduce injuries. Unless, of course, you use them to jump higher - which is of course exactly what I am suggesting.

Most materials have some bounce - including some used in current skate boots. This is only a matter of degree.

3. Drugs. There will always be some performance enhancing drugs that aren't yet banned. I assume they are quietly marketed to or developed for elite athletes or coaches.

4. Anything that would make it possible for guys to do quints might make it possible for gals to do quads - I think only one gal has ever succeeded in competition.

5. Right now ISU rules do not give any benefit for doing quints - they aren't in the rules at all.

(See - you can find point values if you search for "quad" but not for "quint")

I don't know enough to know whether that just means they would be credited with a quad, with some deductions because they aren't perfect, or whether they would get no points at all - but the rules would have to change.

6. It isn't clear the rules committees SHOULD allow quints - if they will cause more injuries. There are already a lot of injuries in figure skating. A few years back, a University of Delaware study said that most elite figure skaters that they tested were skating with bone fractures. Some of the people at the Olympics, this time and before, are skating competitively WITH injuries, including some of the best.

It seems nearly certain that more and more difficult jumps WILL create injuries. What is more, if people are allowed to rotate on the ice before and after landing without major penalty, that will increase the torque on the lower body, which could greatly increase injuries.

If more women could find a way to do it, it would happen to women's quads too - though brittle bones are more common in supremely athletic women then supremely athletic men (look up the "female athletic triad").

In practice, if some do it, and get extra points for it, the others must, to remain competitive. That's what has happened for men's quads, and what, some time past, happened for women's triples.

7. An interesting independent question. I remember reading somewhere that figure skaters who spin very fast get red hands, because some capillary blood vessels break, from centrifugal force. Is that true in fast aerial spins, or do you have to spin longer? How long does it last?
Media Center / Re: The Quint
« Last post by Query on February 20, 2018, 02:03:24 PM »
The Pro Shop / Re: Some people prefer soft, worn out rental skates...
« Last post by Ethereal Ice on February 19, 2018, 07:46:58 PM »
I remember about 25 years ago I went to one of the local rinks a few times and they had the old leather Reidells for rental boots, the brown ones. They were super comfy, and as long as you laced them snug they were wonderful for recreational skating. In contrast we tried another rink that had the blue plastic boots and within 20 minutes of trying to skate I had open blisters bleeding on BOTH feet. No more skating for me that night or ever again at that place. Nowadays I still see those blue plastic skates and shudder, but many places have the stiffer Reidells that are synthetic. They are better than the hard plastic ones but *very* difficult to get snug around the ankle. I felt so sorry for a woman and her friend I saw at the rink today, they kept having to tie and re-tie the rentals that one was wearing. I have worn them myself and they are decent skates except for the awful ankle stiffness.
The Pro Shop / Re: What size blade for EDEA Ice Fly 260?
« Last post by mystery905 on February 19, 2018, 01:32:50 PM »
I have Chorus size 260, with 9.75" Coronation Ace blades.

They fit flush front to back, with no gap on heel.

The Pro Shop / Re: Arm and shoulder padding/protection
« Last post by Nikita on February 18, 2018, 09:55:49 PM »
Oops! I made a mistake.
I of course meant the ACA
CCA is a local group, around Washington DC. It does offer classes. Last I knew, they generally did take the rather conservative ACA-like approach to arm/shoulder safety, but it has been a very long time since I have been in the club.
Sorry for the mixup.

Thank you for the correction! I didn't notice the first time either!
The Pro Shop / Re: New jacksons blade loose
« Last post by Loops on February 18, 2018, 09:01:53 AM »
 :o did "some kid" or the rink at least apologize, if not put out for new blades? Not sure how they could make good on a broken ankle, but an apology would be a start.
The Pro Shop / Re: New jacksons blade loose
« Last post by ChristyRN on February 17, 2018, 08:56:42 PM »
Assuming the sharpening was done properly.  I've seen people sharpen with no blade jig.  If you're holding the boot and the blade's loose, it'll make one edge lower, or switch the edging, front-to-back.

"Some Kid" sharpened mine at the rink one time. I'd left them specifically for one person to sharpen and he didn't make it in. The kid offered, I said NO, he did it any way. Took my left outside edge off. I could tell something was wrong, but my coach told me it was all in my head. It was the left outside edge. You know, the one you're supposed to be on going into a scratch spin. I skidded off one day spinning and broke my ankle. After I made it back to the ice, I *made* my coach look at them, and she saw the missing edge. She felt so bad for pushing aside my concerns.
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