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The Pro Shop / Re: Health question
« Last post by Query on September 19, 2017, 01:04:19 PM »
I have no medical training, so don't take these statements as authoritative.

Many nutrition issues can make you short.

  I've met a few elite female figure skaters who were told to malnurish themselves, to delay maturity. I've not met any male figure skaters who were told that.

  Many elite figure skaters are told to underfeed themselves, to keep their weight down - especially female Dance and Pairs skaters, who need to be lifted by their partners.

  A very few female ice dancers and pairs skaters use surgery to lose weight. I don't know what such surgery does to your health.

  Even if they don't deliberately malnurish themselves, many serious athletes feel they are too busy to take the time to eat right, though a good coach might try to correct that.

OTOH, there is a selection factor - being short (like being thin) may help you be a better freestyle skater, though I don't know all the reasons. (But Dance and Pairs males are often tall, so they are strong enough to lift the lady.) I wouldn't be surprised if that is at least big a contributor to the tendency of figure skaters to be short.

(But hockey skaters tend to be big bruisers overall, including somewhat tall, because hockey is a combat sport. Maybe having a little extra reach helps too. So there is a selection factor in hockey AGAINST small people, especially at elite levels.)

But why would skating make you bow-legged?

I suppose it is possible a very cautious newbie skater, who tries to always stay on the inside edges of both skates, might make themselves slightly bow-legged, if they skated A LOT. In addition, beginner skate often are mounted with the blades slightly to the inside, which might create such a posture, to a small extent. A poor skate tech might have mounted your blades that way on even non-beginner skates, which maybe could create such a problem - which is one more reason to argue that you should only use first class skate techs.

Many hockey skaters do deliberately skate on the inside edges of both skates for balance, but very few really good (e.g., NHL) hockey skaters look appreciatively bow-legged.

Of course, skates are not as good as other shoes at correcting bow-leggedness, because you don't have as much surface in contact at one time. (From what I can tell, podiatrists sometimes use "wedge" orthotics in other shoes to correct it a little - but the physics mostly doesn't work in skates.)

But I think a good figure skating coach would try to train out such a postural/gait issue, if it is small enough, because figure skating is an appearance sport. In addition, I wonder if bow-leggedness would interfere with pushing efficiently? And if it would affect your ability to land jumps, without injury to your knees? I used to let my knee bend slightly to the outside, as I landed. A coach made me try to correct that. When I was slow to correct it, it helped create knee pain.

(I bet short and long track speed skating can create other postural problems - because you are almost always leaning far to the left, on both blades.)

Any sport can and likely will cause a variety of physical problems specific to that sport, as can the physical training programs you use to be better at it. Just like not getting into ANY sport or physical activity can cause a variety of physical problems too.

But like I said, I'm not medically trained.

The Pro Shop / Re: Health question
« Last post by FigureSpins on September 19, 2017, 08:17:10 AM »
Check with your doctor.  I've never heard of a particular sport causing those issues.  They usually have a health-related cause, like nutritional deficiency or genetics.
The Pro Shop / Re: Health question
« Last post by Peach on September 19, 2017, 07:54:00 AM »
Yes i stopped growing suddenly
The Pro Shop / Re: Health question
« Last post by tstop4me on September 19, 2017, 05:29:03 AM »
I assume you are concerned about the effects of skating on a child that is still growing, rather than on an adult.  Is that correct?
The Pro Shop / Health question
« Last post by Peach on September 18, 2017, 08:30:30 PM »
Can skating cause you to be short or bowlegged?
Off-Ice Training for Skaters / Re: Vitamin D deficiency
« Last post by RinkGuard on September 18, 2017, 06:34:35 PM »
And since tstopme gave the the best advice, we're going to close this thread down.

illusionkicks, please feel free to post on other skating topics, but this one really seems to be beyond the kind of information you should be asking people on the internet.
Off-Ice Training for Skaters / Re: Vitamin D deficiency
« Last post by tstop4me on September 18, 2017, 04:04:40 PM »
You should consult your physician for any additional treatment. Also consider wearing protective gear.  Have your physician refer you to a sports medicine specialist if needed.
The Pro Shop / Re: Anything Further On the Jackson Debut? Comparisons with Freestyle?
« Last post by Sibelius on September 18, 2017, 04:01:20 PM »
I did check with Jackson, and it is no longer possible to get the Freestyle or Competitor boot only.  Kind of dismissive of the needs of smaller skaters who don't need that much boot, but need better blades.  They also said the Debut would be way too much boot since she hasn't broken the Elle's down yet.
The Pro Shop / Re: Anything Further On the Jackson Debut? Comparisons with Freestyle?
« Last post by amy1984 on September 18, 2017, 03:36:44 PM »
Can you buy the freestyles without the blade?  I think Jackson offers some of those boots without the matching blade.  That way you can put on whatever you want.
The Pro Shop / Anything Further On the Jackson Debut? Comparisons with Freestyle?
« Last post by Sibelius on September 18, 2017, 01:29:47 PM »
Hi all,

Does anyone have any further information on the Debut?  My little skater had a boot check aaaaaaand she grew.  We are trying to find the opportunity for stretching, which is next to impossible since she skates just about every other day and they need at least overnight for the work.  That will buy a couple of months if we can get it done, but I've got to think ahead.

The shop is recommending the Freestyle, but the numbers from Jackson on the Debut seem close.  They tell me it's too stiff for her.  I do trust them, they are very hesitant about overbooting, and not too keen on the "stiffness numbers" from the mfg's.  She's currently in the Elle, and after 6 months they shows no sign of breakdown so that seems to be the right stiffness for her.  The fitter's philosophy is that if they don't break down before they are outgrown they are the right stiffness.  I get that and it makes some sense, but I think it's time for separates with a better blade, Coro Ace, or maybe try the Eclipse version with the 60 day return.  I don't want to waste money on the Freestyle with the blade, and they don't sell it boot only anymore.

She's at FS5, working on singles, no axel, but that's the goal for the next year.  She's 9 and a little teeny thing with not an ounce of fat (she definitely didn't get that from me!)  Her coaches are big on Sp-Teri, which is local, but man, way too much at this point. She's skated in Jackson's since the beginning and they seem to fit her pretty well, the Elle's after heat molding and a couple of punches were perfect.  I guess I'd like to keep her in what she's used to until we squeeze into the Sp-Teri's.

So, can anyone compare the Debut with the Freestyles, or even Competitors as far as stiffness?  Nothing in stock of course at the shop, and we can get whatever we want, but a 20% restock and shipping both ways on a couple of pairs for her to try costs as much extra as just going down the road to the Sp-Teri factory and getting a pair there.
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