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The Pro Shop / Re: Changed skates, huge difference
« Last post by tstop4me on February 15, 2024, 05:08:32 AM »
The designer originally competed at a national level in Canada in speed skating, and he made carbon fibre speed skates. He then took the technology to hockey skates. I’m sure it would work with figure skates too.

Oh, you have True hockey skate boots, and you're talking about Scott Van Horne, correct?  He later adapted the tech for Aura figure skate boots.
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The Pro Shop / Re: Changed skates, huge difference
« Last post by Leif on February 15, 2024, 04:08:28 AM »
Kaitsu: The new have a dual profile, 10’ on the middle and back, 9’ on the front. The old have a single 10’ radius. So there will be a slight difference, but I don’t believe that explains the huge differences seen.

Query: The new skates are made from carbon fibre and thermoplastic, so they are incredibly mouldable. They were quite painful to put on and take off, so I spot heated a cuff. It was so soft I could fold it 180 degrees. In the end I rebaked each skate with a shim under the outside cuff, which created a bit of clearance for my foot. The designer originally competed at a national level in Canada in speed skating, and he made carbon fibre speed skates. He then took the technology to hockey skates. I’m sure it would work with figure skates too. I have attached a photo of old (right) and new (left) skates.
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The Pro Shop / Re: Pro-Filer Redirects to Wissota
« Last post by Bill_S on February 14, 2024, 06:29:41 PM »

Can someone give me dimensions from the Profiler?


I spent a little time with calipers and a radius gauge set measuring a 3/8" ROH ProFiler that I have here. With these dimensions, someone should be able to replicate the chassis in a machine shop.



If you can 3D print, this might help you get started. Dimensions are in inches.

Click the picture to make it bigger (on some computers/browsers).
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The Pro Shop / Re: Pro-Filer Redirects to Wissota
« Last post by tstop4me on February 14, 2024, 04:45:52 PM »
The old hockey style Pro-Filer I bought did have a slightly adjustable gap size - it had screws instead of punch pins. But not adjustable enough to accommodate figure blades. That's why I had to file it wider, which was a bit challenging, because I wanted to maintain proper centering.

At some point, Brad sent me a sample of the new figure skate chassis that he was planning to use.  Similar to the hockey skate chassis.  It does have two halves screwed together, but no adjustable gap, unless you intentionally don't tighten the screws to leave a larger gap (but then everything would just flop around, and centering is not maintained).  You should check carefully the unit you have.
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The Pro Shop / Re: Pro-Filer Redirects to Wissota
« Last post by Query on February 14, 2024, 04:36:51 PM »
And I think hockey sharpeners tend to use a coarser grain than the fine grain stone in the Pro-Filer figure skating kit.

If you don't need super-sharp blades, that might be good enough - in fact, it might negate the need for using a flat stone to de-burr or to redirect the burr into a foil edge. I've recently been using my coarse Pro-Filer without a flat stone.

BTW, I'm not sure the Pro-Filer patents are still in force. How would one figure that out?

The old hockey style Pro-Filer I bought did have a slightly adjustable gap size - it had screws instead of punch pins. But not adjustable enough to accommodate figure blades. That's why I had to file it wider, which was a bit challenging, because I wanted to maintain proper centering. 
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The Pro Shop / Re: Changed skates, huge difference
« Last post by Query on February 14, 2024, 04:21:48 PM »
A skate tech told me that plastic hockey skates heat mold much better to your feet than carbon fiber skates - but are heavier.

If your skates don't provide you ankle support, that's bad - I think the main purpose of skate boots is to prevent ankle sprains and breaks, though in the case of hockey, they are also body armor.

It may be possible to wrap something around your ankles, so they get more support. I haven't done this, but maybe other people here can help.
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The Pro Shop / Re: Pro-Filer Redirects to Wissota
« Last post by tstop4me on February 14, 2024, 04:02:26 PM »
It seems Pro-filers are now available in Blademaster.

https://blademaster.com/web/en/2560-retail-products

Can someone give me dimensions from the Profiler? How long honing cylinder is and how the cylinder can be removed from the aluminum holder. I am planning to 3D-print holder which works better for figure skates. I do not have this tool. Some outer dimensions I can get from the Bills photos. Those whom was this tool can give tips how would you improve this tool.

Here's a previous thread I started brainstorming improvements to the Pro-Filer:  http://skatingforums.com/index.php?topic=8385.msg100071#msg100071.  The major improvement would be an adjustable gap on the chassis to handle blades of different thicknesses.  If you're making an entirely new chassis, this should be much easier to do than modifying the existing chassis.  Also, note that the chassis of the figure skate kit needed to be modified to work with Paramount and Matrix blades.

If you're planning to buy the stones from Blademaster, you should check with them what the current length is.  It might not be the same (2") that was supplied with the Pro-Filer figure skate kits.   There were separate hockey skate kits that used a different chassis and a different length for the stones; the original Pro-Filer hockey skate kits were different from the Blademaster ones.

ETA:  Looks like the Blademaster Pro-Filer has the coarse diamond stone only.  The original Pro-Filer kit for figure skates came with two units:  one with a coarse diamond stone (for sharpening) and one with a finer silicon carbide or aluminum oxide stone (for finishing).
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The Pro Shop / Re: Pro-Filer Redirects to Wissota
« Last post by Bill_S on February 14, 2024, 03:37:23 PM »
The abrasive cylinders are 2" long. They can be removed on an original ProFiler by knocking out one of the two roll pins that retain the cylinder. That's simple enough to do, but I also drilled and tapped a ProFiler body to take screws to make it even easier.

Thread here...

http://skatingforums.com/index.php?topic=7896.msg94487#msg94487

The shape of the chassis on the new models offered by Blademaster are different. The opening that guides the blade on the new models doesn't have an extension on the top of it. It's simply a slot that lies flush with the top of the chassis. I don't know if the whole chassis has been extended to keep the slot depth the same to help guide blades, or if they simply designed it without that extra extension (greater chance of uneven edges).

It's being marketed for hockey skates, so I assume the slot for the blade will be narrower. Your 3D printed chassis could take care of that issue for figure blades.
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The Pro Shop / Re: Pro-Filer Redirects to Wissota
« Last post by Kaitsu on February 14, 2024, 01:52:52 PM »
It seems Pro-filers are now available in Blademaster.

https://blademaster.com/web/en/2560-retail-products

Can someone give me dimensions from the Profiler? How long honing cylinder is and how the cylinder can be removed from the aluminum holder. I am planning to 3D-print holder which works better for figure skates. I do not have this tool. Some outer dimensions I can get from the Bills photos. Those whom was this tool can give tips how would you improve this tool.
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Cheapest stainless steel blades are absolutely terrible to sharpen. You remove more material from the wheel than from the blade. Usually I change more coarse wheel for these blades. Chainsaw sharpener wheels seems to work quite well. Same I cannot say about the Blademaster 3DR wheel or white aluminum oxide wheels. This crappy steel is challenge also to the manufacturers as we can see from the Bill´s photo. Unfortunately "chrome removal" grinding is typically same terrible quality. 99% surely those blades are made in China. Russian made blades has often same steel quality.

With my experience from the well know brands, Edea´s and Riedell cheapes blades are ga...ge. A real skate techs nightmares.
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