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On the Ice => The Pro Shop => Topic started by: falen on September 22, 2011, 05:49:59 PM
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dd is just barely out of the basics. No test. So...
I saw this gorgeous dress...at $1,250 :o tons of crystals a Tania Bass
I can make it. It is quite doable and I calculated the cost of materials to be about 80-90 (my labor is free..but stoning will probably take 2 weeks)
I will make one change so it is not an exact copy. But will it seem pretentions at that level? I know I did not spend that much, but onlookers may think I am nuts.
What do you think??
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Do you have a link?
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How old is she and what is the "norm" in your area? In some areas - kids are blinged to the max and it's okay - in other areas - yeah you would be considered OTT. A kid at your kid's level here ... well, the audience would be commenting negatively, the judges would find it inappropriate, and the other skaters would not be impressed, shall we say.
Also, depends on the age of the skater ... a 10 year old blinged out in a very expensive dress is different from a 16 year old.
You certainly don't want the kid to feel uncomfortable at being overdressed.
However if you can do that type of stuff, then, I would set up as a business and fund skating costs! I am trying to figure out where you would get Swarovskis that cheap, though ... I get great deals, basically wholesale, and my stones usually run to about $200 a dress at least!
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Wow- $80 with crystals? Where do you get yours? I thought beadsfactory.com had one of the best deals, and 10 gross of preciosa runs about $70...
I think at no test, something that looks like a thousand dollar dress is a bit much. Can you use half as many crystals as you planned?
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Honestly, if you are making it, you can start stoning and stop where you feel it's reasonable... no need to go over the top :)
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not real swarovski, but the chinese ones. I will look for a link
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A kid at your kid's level here ... well, the audience would be commenting negatively, the judges would find it inappropriate, and the other skaters would not be impressed, shall we say.
You certainly don't want the kid to feel uncomfortable at being overdressed.
Wearing the skating dress as you described, would the young skater look like she just stepped off of the stage at a
" Little Girl's Beauty Pageant " ? Except for the " Fans " of such pageants, little girls " blinged to the max ", wither it be a little girl's beauty pageant or an ice skating competition, may carry a negative connotation with a lot of people. Although you certainly have the responsibility to decide what is the best and most attractive outfit for your young skater to wear, all things mentioned on this thread should be taken into consideration as you plan what your young skater is going to actually wear for competition, IMO. Since you have the talent to create such a pretty skating dress, I hope your efforts work out for the best.
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not real swarovski, but the chinese ones. I will look for a link
Have you seen them yet? I got some from eBay and sent them to the lab with my husband to test they were not plastic (they were indeed glass, but utter crap). I recommend swarvoski or preciosa, half or even a quarter as many of those will look just as good.
My eBay crystals (advertised as "perfect substitute for swarvoski) were used in a project with plastic crystals from hobby lobby, and they look almost the same.
If you do still want them, order a sample gross before getting them all.
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I agree with the others in that, in my area, a low level skater in a very fancy dress would be considered inappropriate by the judges & other skaters/coaches alike. The dress should never outskate the skater!
I like to see a little girl in a simple, age-appropriate dress, with a few crystals, maybe around the neck, or the skirt, to make it fancier so she feels special in it for competition. Another option, which I like a lot, is to use a fabric that's somewhat glittery, and forego the stones altogether.
IMO it is important for the costume to be age-appropriate, AND level-appropriate.
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thank you
that was my first reaction...too much dress. But dd loved it.
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Wow- $80 with crystals? Where do you get yours? I thought beadsfactory.com had one of the best deals, and 10 gross of preciosa runs about $70...
I think at no test, something that looks like a thousand dollar dress is a bit much. Can you use half as many crystals as you planned?
I spent under 70 for dd's freeskate dress with 500 crystals on it. I probably spent more on the crystals then I did the actual fabric. I got the fabric for a steal(I had 2 40% off coupons), so it cost me next to nothing to make. I also had a 20% off coupon for the crystals. Her showcase dress cost more, but not much. Again, the fabric was not too much money. I spent maybe 20 on fabric. So, it is totally doable. A local retailer here has crystals for a decent price. I can get a gross for 12.00 plus we get a 10% club discount. They are 5mm, so not huge stones. The large stones are much more expensive. I would love to know what deals people find online for stones.
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dd is just barely out of the basics. No test. So...
I saw this gorgeous dress...at $1,250 :o tons of crystals a Tania Bass
I can make it. It is quite doable and I calculated the cost of materials to be about 80-90 (my labor is free..but stoning will probably take 2 weeks)
I will make one change so it is not an exact copy. But will it seem pretentions at that level? I know I did not spend that much, but onlookers may think I am nuts.
What do you think??
Welll.... around here I see fancy dresses and less fancy dresses. It doesn't seem to matter. Sure, some parents and judges may comment on it but I don't think it will matter as long as the dress is age appropriate. I agree that it would help to see a picture. Also, as someone else stated, if you are making it, you will be able to add as much or as little bling as you see fit. I put 500 crystals on my daughters freeskate dress. To be honest, you cannot tell there are that many crystals on the dress. Her showcase dress has less bling but is still cute. :) I say, do what you, your daughter and coach are comfortable with. My daughter's coach is very open to telling me what she thinks about my daughter's dresses. She's have no problem telling me if she felt a dress we chose was over the top. Just a word of warning, it is very addictive to start making dresses! I have a lot of fun(most days!) making my daughter's dresses.
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I agree it is very addictive. I need crystal rehab
http://www.taniabass.com/product-popup.php?id=522-black
This is it. The dress itself is very basic. The site price says 750 but the website doesn't have as many crystals on the skirt. I guess it was customized some more and that is the price diff. I personally do not like any crystals on the skirt.
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Just my stuffy opinion, but for a child just out of the basics, I'd say that, yes, that dress has too much bling. Way too much bling. Regardless of how much you actually spend on the dress, it could end up looking expensive and you don't want the judges thinking that you should have spent the money on lessons and ice time instead.
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If you used plastic rhinestones instead of crystals it would have a lot less sparkle and maybe not look so out of place on a low level skater (so +1 for china crystals).
The picture on the website shows that it is clearly meant for a child.
The dress is age appropriate, but if she shines like the inside of a Tiffany store, it is too much. Could you do the design in sequin applique? That also would be more level appropriate. I agree, it isn't what you spend, but what it looks like you spent.
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Just my stuffy opinion, but for a child just out of the basics, I'd say that, yes, that dress has too much bling. Way too much bling. Regardless of how much you actually spend on the dress, it could end up looking expensive and you don't want the judges thinking that you should have spent the money on lessons and ice time instead.
I guess they wouldn't assume I just borrowed the dress ::>) ::>) ::>) They would think I was one of "those" moms
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Me, I don't like the illusion effect on the arms and would do it in material. Frankly, I'm surprised it's one of Tania's; normally, her stuff is more elaborate. Anyways, you can get the same "effect" with silver glitter, and it wouldn't be a problem at all. I have seen a ton of Jerry's "little girl" dresses over the years that look quite similar, and they just use silver glitter, which is pretty ... maybe a crystal at the "cross point" of the lines would add that little extra sparkle.
However, another side note - judges often do not care for black dresses on younger skaters. You might want to look for a different colour :)
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Me, I don't like the illusion effect on the arms and would do it in material. Frankly, I'm surprised it's one of Tania's; normally, her stuff is more elaborate. Anyways, you can get the same "effect" with silver glitter, and it wouldn't be a problem at all. I have seen a ton of Jerry's "little girl" dresses over the years that look quite similar, and they just use silver glitter, which is pretty ... maybe a crystal at the "cross point" of the lines would add that little extra sparkle.
However, another side note - judges often do not care for black dresses on younger skaters. You might want to look for a different colour :)
you have great ideas. Thanks!!!
actually the Tania Bass website has many dresses that except for the stones are quite basic http://www.taniabass.com/product.php?id=524-pinks
The 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, and 6th on that page are pretty basic skirted leotards
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However, another side note - judges often do not care for black dresses on younger skaters. You might want to look for a different colour :)
Judges sure seem awfully picky about costumes. I understand the rationale of keeping costumes simple for low level skaters, but why do they care what color it is?
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we are all human and our subconsious preferances always influence us....judges are no different, which is why forums like these are a great resources. Thanks for all your input.
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So if I do glitter for the crossing lines and kept the flower design in crystals, would it be more acceptable?
Or just the flower designs in crystals edit to add: and the have a solitary crystal at the intersction of imaginary crossed lines?
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Judges sure seem awfully picky about costumes. I understand the rationale of keeping costumes simple for low level skaters, but why do they care what color it is?
Black is considered to be an 'adult' colour, not for kids who should be in more juvenile attire. It's an old stereotype, but, I have heard it referenced by more than one judge that they really don't care to have little girls dressed in mature styles or colours.
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that brings me to another question. Say I got a knock off of a celebrity dress (I've seen the Yuna one...it's not exact, but "inspired by") you guys have been around the water cooler, what would be the reaction? This is just hypothetical, it poped into my head during this discussion.
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So if I do glitter for the crossing lines and kept the flower design in crystals, would it be more acceptable?
Or just the flower designs in crystals edit to add: and the have a solitary crystal at the intersction of imaginary crossed lines?
What do kids in your area at your daughter's test level wear to competitions? in our area - what you describe above in terms of crystal flowers would be a "no" because it would still be too fancy (and so would the illusion arms) - but, in other areas, it might be just fine.
here, a basic velvet or spandex dress, with sleeves, covered to at least the throat (small collar is also frequently seen), with a sparkly sequined waist band or sparkly neck, maybe a sleeve ruffle, and a double skirt that's "flouncy" or moves well as opposed to a flat panel skirt would be used. Glittery chiffon skirts are often used too. No fancy cutouts or appliques; maybe an embroidered butterfly or something else pretty. Yes, it is very sterotypical of the "pretty little girl" movement, but, it also means that the kid doesn't stand out for the wrong reason in the judge's eyes, and also that the kid feels comfortable and that she fits in with the other kids (plus, it's WARM!). However, in other cities, I'm sure that a kid in a similar dress would look way underdressed. It's all about the area norms.
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why do they care what color it is?
Skating aside, my MIL never liked seeing a little kid wearing any kind of black-colored clothing. She came to accept it for skating because it was practical and well-accepted. Still, she never bought a Christmas dress in black for any of my DDs and made a point of telling me that. I've relaxed that rule when it comes to ordinary clothing but I think about it whenever I see a pretty dress.
For Moves or Dance tests, I like skaters to wear a plain black dress, but for freestyle the color should reflect the program/music, imo. While black is practical, it also has connotations of mourning, seduction and evil. Skating to "Walking on Sunshine" while wearing a black dress doesn't quite reflect the spirit of the program.
For her dance tests, one of my DDs wore a hand-me-down dress that Sk8Dreams gave us a few years ago. The plain, red-plaid pattern was a HIT because it was unusual - no sparkles or glitter and it fit beautifully with a slightly-longer skirt than most. One of the judges actually remarked on it to me later because it was different and she skated beautifully.
You might me able to find spandex with glittery diamonds already printed on the fabric, which would make the whole dress less over the top and save you time and money. Just an idea. You could make the diamond pattern bigger so you have fewer sparkly lines and flowers. Craft stores sell the flower-shaped plastic stones in various sizes.
I think it depends with knockoffs - Posters have remarked about how the Chinese eBay sellers are ripping off others' designs. You seem very capable of coming up with your own designs and ideas. There's no harm in studying others to get new ideas, especially when you're just getting started.
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What do kids in your area at your daughter's test level wear to competitions? in our area - what you describe above in terms of crystal flowers would be a "no" because it would still be too fancy (and so would the illusion arms) - but, in other areas, it might be just fine.
here, a basic velvet or spandex dress, with sleeves, covered to at least the throat (small collar is also frequently seen), with a sparkly sequined waist band or sparkly neck, maybe a sleeve ruffle, and a double skirt that's "flouncy" or moves well as opposed to a flat panel skirt would be used. Glittery chiffon skirts are often used too. No fancy cutouts or appliques; maybe an embroidered butterfly or something else pretty. Yes, it is very sterotypical of the "pretty little girl" movement, but, it also means that the kid doesn't stand out for the wrong reason in the judge's eyes, and also that the kid feels comfortable and that she fits in with the other kids (plus, it's WARM!). However, in other cities, I'm sure that a kid in a similar dress would look way underdressed. It's all about the area norms.
Honestly, its all over the place. No Mondors or Jerry's. I see a lot of Sharene. And a lot of the ebay ones mentioned!! Ukraine coach just loves the full on mirror ball! But I must admit, when I see a girl come on the ice all decked out like a mirror ball, I think to myself "she better be really good" But maybe I am just being catty...because I can't afford Sharene and I am scared of identity theft for the chinese ones.
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Dd wore one of the glitzy Chinese ones for her first 'no test' comp. Most of the other girls in her group were decked out in beautiful custom dresses.
Personally I'd run it by your coach. Here is why... our glitzy dress was only worn once because the other girl's coach didn't like it. It has the two tone ombre thing and for her it's a big no for her skaters. My coach is glad I got a 'like new' skating dress for not a lot of money. The dress is kind of ugly on the hanger, but it really suits dd's music and personality and looks beautiful on the ice.
Dd couldn't wear the dress you posted dress though because every time her arms went up or down they would rub on the crystals and chafe her arms.
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I guess they wouldn't assume I just borrowed the dress ::>) ::>) ::>) They would think I was one of "those" moms
My daughter's dresses have always been pretty simple. We've bought a couple dresses from Wonderland on ebay and those have been really cute and I think they have just enough sparkle on them as well.
The dresses I have made for my daughter or have crystalled for her, have never been over done. Like I said, some kids have dresses far more crystalled then what we have. I think the design of the dress you like could easily be crystalled in a way that isn't overly flashy. Also, a color other then black might be good too. What do you see at your local competitions? Bling-y dresses or more simple dresses??
Angie
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dd was skating at a comp recently so I will look through the online pictures.
But help me...my dd is chanelling Elvis because she likes this from ebay: :o http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=350492747017
I agree with you about the black...I would do maroon or green to keep dd happy with a darker color.
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I really like the wonderland dresses. Nice quality and lots of "bling" for not much money. :) You pay more for it, but it is worth it. I think the dress she likes is cute. What is her music?
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I recently did a color test on different velvets from across the rink. A lot of the dark colours all looked black at a distance, like rich burgundys. A bright red actually had the effect of looking closer to the dark red we were looking for. It was quite a revelation to me.
While I can understand some people's comments of too much bling on the Tania Bass dress you've found, I actually like the style and the idea. I'd tone the bling down, but the concept looks nice and suitable for a young skater. And I'm impressed that you're able to look at a dress and make your own version of it. Your DD is one lucky girl as I'm sure you'll be making some fabulous dresses over the years.
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Red is a hard colour to judge in terms of how it will look under fluorescent lights. We always take the swatches to the arena to see how they will look under the lights; it can be quite a marked difference. Anything with a orange or yellow undertone will radically change tone.
Navy is another difficult colour; it can certainly end up "black" under lights.
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I really like the wonderland dresses. Nice quality and lots of "bling" for not much money. :) You pay more for it, but it is worth it. I think the dress she likes is cute. What is her music?
Music of the Night
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Music of the Night
I like the dress and think it's good for that. If it were me I'd use nice crystals, but simplify the pattern and use fewer, but here we do also see the whole range from simple to elaborate. My daughter wore a dress of indigo (deeper than royal, not quite navy) velvet with long mesh sleeves for pre-pre (only a few crystals, though) and I thought the color looked good on the ice.
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I love Tania Bass dresses! Typically they aren't "overdone" though. When I saw this dress, with all the stones and everything I thought "Adam's Family"....and in that case - PERFECT! LOL.... I think black is fine on little ones depending on the music.
Here's another stoning option that I've done before - if you want to put a lot of crystals on the dress, use colored ones! They don't make the dress shine like a Tiffany Store (great analogy, whoever said that) but it does add dimension. My favorite color stone.....BLACK! It's great, i've used them on black and red dresses, and black dresses.
FYI....if you use swarovski crystals on this dress, and you want to do this stoning pattern, consider just the neck or perhaps a row or two just down the middle. It will make it look more elegant and less cluttered, not to mention less expensive! You can clutter the stones on the back - that always looks nice too.
Good luck and happy stoning! LOL
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My favorite color stone.....BLACK! It's great, i've used them on black and red dresses, and black dresses.
My DD has black stones on the sheer black skirt of her dance dress and it looks amazing. The skirt starts with large stones at the top and gradually gets smaller toward the bottom.
There is a girl at our rink who's mother is amazing at stoning. She has the same pattern on the top, but it's on a white halter dress. The girl is 9 and skates at the Pre-Juv level.
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Music of the Night
In that case, black works! Really what matters most is what you and your daughter and her coach like. Your daughter's coach should know what they judges may or may not like on a girl your daughter's age. I think both dresses you have shown are pretty.
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Thank you for your input. Coach loves more bling the better. In a sport where appearances matter, I don't want to seem like I am overspending for her level...even though I am not. Honestly, the chinese stones against a dark fabric will show up a lot, so I would go with the cheaper option. Since the precision would take some time, I don't want to do all that work for negative effects. The other black dress stone pattern is a lot easier since it is scattered and random.
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Thank you for your input. Coach loves more bling the better. In a sport where appearances matter, I don't want to seem like I am overspending for her level...even though I am not. Honestly, the chinese stones against a dark fabric will show up a lot, so I would go with the cheaper option. Since the precision would take some time, I don't want to do all that work for negative effects. The other black dress stone pattern is a lot easier since it is scattered and random.
I still think you should do what you, your daughter and her coach think will work. I have yet to hear anyone comment on a skater's dress being too over the top... unless it is about it being too mature for her age. Both of the styles you have showed us, look very age appropriate to me. Some of the wonderland dresses are very, very glitzy and they still do not cost a lot(comparatively speaking anyway!). I think you should make or buy whatever you want. If you make it, you and your daughter can have a lot of fun designing it! ENJOY! it will be uniquely HER. She is so lucky to have a mom who can look at something and design it herself. I can sew, but my talents are limited to a pattern and whatever modifications I am capable of achieving. :)
BTW... here is my daughter's dress. You will have to scroll down the thread to get to the pictures of her dress with the crystals on it, but that dress as 500+ crystals on it. My daughter skates at the pre-preliminary level. I would feel comfortable adding more crystals if I wanted to spend the money and time to do it. I wouldn't feel like she is over dressed. However, at this point I just want the dress to fit her through the next few comps!! lol http://skatingforums.com/index.php/topic,1547.0.html
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I bet you dd looks like a million bucks in it! That is a pretty complex pattern with all the transitioning fabrics. The sewing part has to be easy for me...the dresses are pretty much front back sleeves and bottom. But I rock with the Bedazzler and the Bejeweler..and dd knows it so she asks for things only Liberaci would wear! I guess she and her coach are a perfect pair!
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isakwings - I love your dd's dress!
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isakwings - I love your dd's dress!
Thanks! It is a fun dress. :) I love that it is original and fits the music well! It is fun. :) I will be working on her Halloween show dress this weekend. EEK! It will be an adventure for me. It's going to be a witch costume. I am using a Jalie pattern for it, so that will help. If it turns out how I am hoping it will, I will post a pic of it. :)
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I bet you dd looks like a million bucks in it! That is a pretty complex pattern with all the transitioning fabrics. The sewing part has to be easy for me...the dresses are pretty much front back sleeves and bottom. But I rock with the Bedazzler and the Bejeweler..and dd knows it so she asks for things only Liberaci would wear! I guess she and her coach are a perfect pair!
Thanks! It's a cute dress. :) Dd likes it. She likes her showcase dress better(Pocahontas style), but they both are pretty cute. To do the contrasting parts wasn't too bad. I just cut the pattern pieces before hand. The biggest mistake I made was not leaving extra length for seam allowances. After i sewed the bodice together, I think I lost an inch or so in the girth! OOPS! Lesson learned and I won't make the same mistake twice. :) The next adventure will be her Halloween dress. YIKES!
Have you seen the Jalie patterns? They are GREAT! Easy to use and it is pretty easy to put your own twist on the patterns too. In fact, the skirt on my daughter's dress is from a Jalie pattern. :)
http://www.jalie.com/sports-apparel/figure-skating.html
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thanks!
How are the Jalie bottoms? I used a specialty Sportswear one because I read that they have "full coverage" DD doesn't like cheeks to hang out!
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My daughter doesn't like them. I use Kwik Sew bottoms. :) I haven't tried specialty sportswear.
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Jalie has redesigned their basic shape, the panties used to be worse.
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How about Yuna's blue dress? I love IT! It's gorgeous.
http://www.olympic.org/figure-skating-individual-women
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How about Yuna's blue dress? I love IT! It's gorgeous.
http://www.olympic.org/figure-skating-individual-women
FWIW, I agree that the color and beading is beautiful, but the cut of the bodice under the arms wasn't flattering to her. I actually thought she had outgrown the dress, girth-wise, and it was pulling down. (Maybe it was, under the weight of the stones.)
It just didn't look right to me at any angle, even with the illusion at the edges for modesty and strength. It was distracting, especially in photos, because it drew your eye away from the overall image she was trying to present.