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The Pro Shop / Re: Arm and shoulder padding/protection
« Last post by Query on February 10, 2018, 06:34:15 PM »
(But: Don't push your shoulders past their safe range of motion in any direction. Some people can't raise their arms all the way, like I just descrbed. Some people can be hurt by pushing their arms too far across the front of the body, or too far up and back. I haven't personally seen that skating - it is more common in whitewater boating.)

The part of what I just said that is emphasized is contradicted by Bill's experience!

Apparently, it can occur to figure skaters too.

There is no such thing as a totally safe sport. If you refuse to do anything that is a little bit dangerous, you can't have any fun. Think of almost anything that is fun -
 life, sports, business, romance - doesn't it involve an element of risk? With reasonable precautions, I don't think recreational figure skating is any more dangerous than most sports, and quite a bit less dangerous than some. It is even possible that you are more likely to get hurt driving to skate than while skating itself.

Bill's injury could have been prevented by a properly done fall - as I'm sure he knows. Clearly, it has not prevented Bill from continuing to skate.

BTW, in this type of injury, just as in whitewater kayaking - an arm can fairly safely be held high, or somewhat back (though generally I don't favor that much), but not both. What happens is that your arm acts as a lever, and any force on it that pulls it farther back levers the end of the arm out of the shoulder socket. That can dislocate the shoulder, and/or tear muscles in the shoulder cuff - sometimes one, then the other. In addition, when most people hold their arms high, they naturally tend to pull the arm part way of the socket, even without external force - I guess because people in the wild would typically hold their arms high to reach and pick a fruit off of a very high branch, or something like that. CCA, the perhaps the biggest paddling safety organization in the U.S., warns strongly against letting the arm go up or back white paddling. 

(Apes, and I think most higher land animals have a ligament in the equivalent to our shoulder, which prevents such dislocation, and maybe prevents the limb from going the equivalent of up and back. This lets many apes swing freely through the trees, and maybe makes it safer to run on four legs. But we lost that ligament, presumably so we could throw things like rocks and spears and baseballs, overhand.) And, in fact, we do have a corresponding ligament in our legs. Which is one of the reasons our hips are much less mobile than our shoulders.

I'm reminded of a book on rock climbing. The author said that you only get hurt climbing if you make a mistake. Oh, so I said to myself, doesn't sound too dangerous. Then, a little later in the book, the author casually mentions that all of the friends he started climbing with were dead. Oh. Maybe not quite so safe. Likewise, I remember being told that most reasonably experienced paddlers had known a few others who had died.

Very few people die skating.

But skating, like most forms of dance, involves more or less the whole body. So, of course, almost anywhere on the body CAN be injured - and if you look for people who have been injured, you will eventually find almost all body parts can be injured. That doesn't mean they all will.

I think the most important thing to do to prevent injury while figure skating is to pick reasonably snug, supportive skates, and tie your laces as tight as you reasonably can. Based on my experience as a rink guard, making sure people tied their laces tight prevented all injuries while I was on the ice during the several months that I did it. Eventually someone complained - many people don't like to be pushed to take precautions - so I stopped, and on-ice injuries resumed.
Spectator Skating Discussions / Re: Leslie Jones Live-Tweets the Olympics
« Last post by amy1984 on February 10, 2018, 09:23:59 AM »
 ;D ;D ;D yes Leslie, Meagan Duhammel is ripped.
The Pro Shop / Re: Dance Socks for Off-Ice Spin Practice
« Last post by Loops on February 10, 2018, 01:26:01 AM »
No scraps of lycra kicking around.  Some old sail maker dacron scraps but probably not the same.

I can send you some of mine.  No worries.
The Pro Shop / Re: Dance Socks for Off-Ice Spin Practice
« Last post by lutefisk on February 09, 2018, 09:39:46 PM »
No scraps of lycra kicking around.  Some old sail maker dacron scraps but probably not the same.
Spectator Skating Discussions / Leslie Jones Live-Tweets the Olympics
« Last post by FigureSpins on February 09, 2018, 03:27:09 PM »
I really like comedienne Leslie Jones (SNL) - her posts on Twitter regarding the Olympics are great.  I think the use of her cell phone to record live TV is hilarious, too!
Spectator Skating Discussions / Re: Nathan Chen meltdown - Oly team event
« Last post by lutefisk on February 09, 2018, 03:01:42 PM »
Sometimes I think we all, myself included, get a little too emotionally invested in "our" teams rather than just enjoying the execution of sport well done.  Maybe in another thousand years or so we'll evolve to that point.
Spectator Skating Discussions / Re: Nathan Chen meltdown - Oly team event
« Last post by Bill_S on February 09, 2018, 02:52:03 PM »
I enjoyed watching him too. The South Korean crowd was certainly behind him all the way.

I also wonder about a flag-free Olympics. The influences of money and politics find a way to insert themselves into the best of events and intentions.
The Pro Shop / Re: Dance Socks for Off-Ice Spin Practice
« Last post by Loops on February 09, 2018, 02:36:08 PM »
Saw this promoted on FB this morning:

Q: What would happen if I just tied a strip of lycra around my sneaker at the ball of the foot?  Could I spin on my smooth kitchen floor?
A: YES!  It works fine - I could do forward and backward spins.

Because it has more friction than a spin trainer, the turns are slower, which lets the skater stay in control.  The skater has to balance more, which is always a good thing.  It allows you to put the weight ont he actual ball of your foot, not in the center the way that dance turn boards.

It's a step up from spinning in your socks because the sneakers provide support.  Definitely a cheap way to do off-ice spin practice.

You could probably cut the toe off a pair of socks and get the same result.

In fairness, the product they're selling is more refined than my ratty, uneven strip of lycra from my scrap bag.  It's also a sock-like material.

Give it a try and let me know what you think!

Awesome.  +GOE for the alternative-product testing.  Who of us DOESN"T have scraps of lycra lying around?!  What an awesome use for them.
Rink Roundups / Re: Skating in southern South Korea
« Last post by Loops on February 09, 2018, 02:25:55 PM »
The exchange rate of KRW=>USD came up in an internet search with:

"130,000 South Korean Won converts to 119.45 US Dollar"

I thought that was for a single half-hour lesson and thought "Wow.  Am I coaching in the wrong country!"  lol

($30/30 mins. is the average rate for a mid-level experienced coach here in the US.)

Haha, it's probably true on some levels, but you also have to figure what the cost of living there is.  If a coffee at Charbucks is going to set you back the Korean equivalent of 20 USD, then, maybe the119 for a skating lesson is OK. Sampaugita can comment further on that.  Plus I think the USD is kinda low right now so.....

Sampaugita- I found that my French improved quickly and dramatically once I started skating again.  Hopefully this will be fantastic for your Korean!  Are there other adults at the rink?  I was lucky that there was an adult synchro team at mine (was really the draw for me, but I'd skate anyway).  Adult synchro teams rock, it's a great way to improve your skating while, and perhaps more importantly, make friends in a new place .  Are you enjoying the rink culture there? And learning a lot?  Sounds like your spins are going to get lots of work.....TBH, spins are so friggin hard, that on some levels it doesn't surprise me that they start 'em young there.  More to the point though, are the kids learning back spins?  Those are crucial for doubles and beyond...

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