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The Pro Shop / Re: Are the blades set correctly?
« Last post by ocug on November 09, 2017, 02:06:33 PM »
He did and he said they were alright. Her coach said she can’t hold an outside edge now though because the blades are so inside... ?
The Pro Shop / Re: Are the blades set correctly?
« Last post by FigureSpins on November 09, 2017, 01:54:14 PM »
Did the skate tech check the alignment while she was wearing the skates? 
The Pro Shop / Are the blades set correctly?
« Last post by ocug on November 09, 2017, 01:51:29 PM »
I just got new boots for my daughter and this is how they set the blades.. her coach said the right one is incorrect as she doesnt have any issues with feet or legs.. can anyone please help me if they know about this? i did ask the guy who put the blades why it was at the edge of the heel and he said blades dont go in the middle. I trusted his opinion as i dont know a lot about blades but was a bit hesitant because none of her other skates had been set this way... any help will be much appreciated... so frustrated also because he charged me 60 dollars to set them on the new boots :(
The Pro Shop / Re: Equipment Manufacturers Websites
« Last post by Isk8NYC on November 09, 2017, 11:20:59 AM »
Updated 11/9/2017

Added new Avanta website.  More info:

Events for Skaters / Colonial Adult Challenge 2018
« Last post by FigureSpins on November 09, 2017, 10:54:25 AM »
2018 Colonial Adult Challenge
Nashoba Valley Olympia rink in Boxborough, MA

SUNDAY March 25, 2018

Details to be announced soon
Sitting on the Boards Rink Side / Re: Percentage of the skating community that is online?
« Last post by Query on November 09, 2017, 01:54:14 AM »
I wouldn't be surprised if most really serious athletes of any type don't have enough time for much social media, be it Skatingforums, Facebook, or the AdultEdge mailing list. Apparently some of the highest athletes end use Twitter - but mainly to stay in touch with their fans. Because they count on fans for support - either directly, or because they are assumed likely to pay attention to the paid product support their favorite athletes participate in.

I don't remember the exact numbers, but at one point, there were over 100,000 members of the USFS[A]. Most aren't adults, and a lot of figure skaters in the U.S. don't join the USFS[A]. (USFSA is the legal acronym, but USFS is what they like to call themselves - silly and confusing.) I was surprised there were so many - but it is orders of magnitude less than the number of people who participate in some types of dance, like Ballet, in popular sports like baseball and soccer, and far, far fewer than the number of people who run, or go to the gym for exercise. If my ice rink is at all typical, there are far more hockey players than figure skaters.

The end result is that most adults or other people you meet outside ice rinks don't figure skate. It's really not a very common sport, even is the U.S., Canada, or, I assume, Russia. It may really be that the closest thing to something many of them belong to are the skating clubs - USFS[A] and ISI in the U.S. I think a lot of ice rinks are missing the ball - they should be trying to create and perhaps profit from social activities for skaters. Those activities don't have to be at the ice rink. But if skaters get together socially, and can count on social interactions through skating, that would be good for skating businesses.
The Pro Shop / Re: Actual weight of Edea vs Jackson! My new skates vs my old skates!
« Last post by Query on November 09, 2017, 01:31:52 AM »
I think it is great that you are happy with your new boots.

I guess the question of whether they are really the best possible boots for you is irrelevant. Sure, many of the major brands of skate boot include heavy models and lightweight models, and maybe nicklaszlo is right that water absorption mess up weights. But when all is said and done, most of us can't afford to buy all the models of all the brands. If you are happy with what you have got, that is all you need.

Of course not everyone can be made happy by any given brand and model of standardized insert inside the shoe, to make us comfortable, just as not everyone can be made happy by any given brand and model of standardized shoe or boot. We all need subtly different shapes of what touches and supports our feet. They only way to get it right is to make your own, or have ones custom made for you by an expert. If you make your own, you need to have an analytic mind. It isn't enough to know that it hurts. You need to figure out for yourself where it hurts - and whether it needs more or less support, or whether the pain comes from excess pressure, insufficient pressure (which causes slippage and blisters), excess muscle use (if you are changing the shape of your feet using muscles to match the boot, or to make up for a tendency to tilt your feet in the wrong way). You could also have a rough or pointy surface (e.g., a protruding nail) that your foot is resting on. Or maybe, your foot is being pressed into a shape that over-stretches a muscle or ligament. It is even possible to need different shapes of support structure as you add on more weight - if your foot changes shape in an asymmetric fashion as you add weight. That may require a custom mixture of foams to support different parts of your feet differently, with carefully chosen properties. Once you have figured out the problem - and you may need to experiment - you can reshape the insert - whether you made it or someone else made it - to match your feet and your boots.

And to make it worse, most insert and insole materials don't keep their shape forever - most gradually compress and change properties - often over a period of a few months. (E.g., really high end running shoes, with EVA soles that form to your feet, are supposed to work very well at first, but are only expected to last about 3 months. Most adult figure skaters who pay for their own boots would be very unhappy if their boots were that short lived!  But you may need to replace our inserts and/or insoles once in a while, to keep yourself happy and comfortable.

Some of the real medical experts sometimes use special socks with electronic pressure sensors built in all over the socks, that lets them see high and low pressure points, and how they change as you move and change the weight on different parts of your feet. Perhaps that helps, if you have trouble figuring out and explaining exactly what the problem is. Yet, even the medical experts (e.g., podiatrists, orthopedic surgeons, some sports PTs) sometimes get it wrong, and have to redo the fit.

As an example of the complexity of these problems, I've recently had a problem when wearing flat bed shoes (e.g., sandals). One or both feet sometimes get cramps around base of the toes. It doesn't feel like a differential pressure thing. I think it is possible my toes are used to being bent upwards by my skates, and something over-stretches when my feet are forced flat. Only experimentation can help me figure it out. It is made more difficult by the fact it often takes hours to manifest, and it doesn't always happen, which makes the experimentation hard. It might even really be diet, leading to an ionic imbalance in the muscles or nerves. (E.g., I definitely get cramps if I don't eat enough salt. In theory too much or too little Magnesium, Calcium, Manganese, etc., can create cramps too.)

In short, there are a lot of variables. There is simply no way a given brand and model of insole or insert can do the job for everyone. Any given off-the-shelf orthotic can't possibly fix foot comfort and health problems for most people.
How many adult skaters are there?  (And how do we define that?)  I would guess that we could find out how many adult members there are in USFS (both regular members and LTS).  Does ISI split membership out by age group?  And would there be similar info for other countries?

I know I have a lot of skating buddies who have no idea that there are online groups.  I'm a data geek, though... if I'm not on the ice I'm trying to get as much info as I can about skating, which led me here, among other places.  But not everyone is like that. 
In general I would say that a great many of the adult skaters are NOT on-line nor are they participating in forums like this.

I have learned so much over the years from this forum in particular especially when it comes to the rule changes that are always coming up - whether it be from a judging standpoint or just a skater-standpoint I find that I often will find out about something here and then I get a follow-up from USFS or whoever.

Also technique - but it depends on who you are working with!

I am quite sure that if you started a thread entitled "difficulty with axel" you would get some very excellent responses from some very excellent technicians on this forum.
Most of the more vocal people have served/are serving on the USFSA Adult committee or know each other from adult competitions, so I guess they're okay with letting it all hang out.  Plus, many of us have met in real life, despite pseudonyms on skatingforums.  I'm friends on FB with those people as well.
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