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Rink Roundups / Re: Skating in southern South Korea
« Last post by Query on February 15, 2018, 03:17:25 PM »
One theory seems to be that edges, power and speed can be improved at almost any stage of life, whereas it is possible that spinning and jumping are very difficult to master when you aren't quite young, as some of us have found. E.g., I think kids find it easier to learn to "feel" their center, and to feel when they aren't spinning around it, whereas those of us who didn't learn that young, may have largely lost the ability to learn to feel the center. Of course, I'm only saying that as someone has has never properly learned it. Likewise, the courage to jump may be much easier to gain when young.

Besides, let's face it: Spins and jumps are much more fun.  If you pushed most young kids to work too much on edges, power and speed, they would quit. :stars:

Relative to ice dance standards, most U.S. coaches' implementations of LTS classes are somewhat based on the same theories. I.E., real emphasis on edges is generally delayed until after all the major single jumps have been learned, from what I can tell. I think it's mostly ice dancers who place early emphasis on edges.

But I can say I have made much progress on the one-foot spin! (Amazing really -- I never thought spins could be taught that way).

What clues can you give those of us who have trouble with spins? :)

Spectator Skating Discussions / Re: Olympic music- why all the covers?
« Last post by FigureSpins on February 15, 2018, 01:46:54 PM »
Rinks (for public skating) and skating organizations purchase a music license that allows them to use recorded music.  The premium isn't divvied out by song or artist - they just pay an ASCAP, BMI and/or SESAC annual fee.  Skating clubs hosting events are covered by the blanket license of their organization.  That's one of the reasons the ISI and USFSA require every show and competition to have an approved sanction.

US Figure Skating's qualifying competitions registration ask the skater for the music title and artist - I assume it's for the spectator programs moreso than music licensing.  Ryan Bradley's Gold-medal performance at the 2011 US Nationals had the wrong music listed in the program because he changed programs.  I loved it because his costume reminded me of Andy Griffith and the event was in North Carolina, plus it was Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy, which is one of my favorite songs.

Spectator Skating Discussions / Re: Olympic music- why all the covers?
« Last post by rd350 on February 15, 2018, 01:28:50 PM »
What are the rules for music usage for skating?  (Thinking more local/small competitions or exhibitions but either or.)  Technically someone needs to get paid and that isn't resolved by purchasing the music off iTunes.
Rink Roundups / Re: Skating in southern South Korea
« Last post by Loops on February 15, 2018, 01:25:29 PM »
Wow....disappointing that there aren't any adults....Perhaps that is your new calling- recruitment! 

My scratch spins travel terribly (like, "I need a visa" terribly- international boundries could be crossed), despite my efforts.  Fwiw, I've noticed that when I take time on the entry, and bend my skating knee to the point where I feel like I'm going to sit on the ice, AND look hard over my skating shoulder, I can get a nicely centered scratch spin.  Now if only I could do that every time.....  But if it helps you, more the better.
Spectator Skating Discussions / Re: Commercials During Olympics
« Last post by tstop4me on February 15, 2018, 01:23:06 PM »
My favorite commercial so far is the Toyota commercial with Ashley Wagner.  Ironic, poignant, heart-rending ... and, at the same time, aethereally beautiful.
Sitting on the Boards Rink Side / Re: How One Skater Feels about Quad Jumps
« Last post by Doubletoe on February 15, 2018, 01:11:30 PM »

The only problem with quads that I have, is how much you can get for a fall. A quad with a fall is still basically a triple flip, lutz, or axel with +GOE. There doesn’t seem to be a workable middle ground between rewarding the attempt and punishing the failures. As long as you can at least rotate, it’s still a win - even if you’ve literally never landed one (even in practice). I see this as a sort of loophole in the system.

I have a big beef with how awful men’s events are becoming, because falling on quads is still worth more than a clean triple (of any type). The falls also increase risk of injury (like concussions).

This is why they have increased the penalty for falls.  In Senior Singles events, the first two falls still get a -1 deduction each, but then the deduction goes up to -2 on the third fall, and -3 for the 5th fall.  Also, when a skater falls on a quad jump, it is often due to under-rotation, so the points received for the jump are considerably less than a clean triple.  For example, Adam Rippon's quad lutz at Skate America this season got him a total of 2.9 points (plus a shoulder injury), thanks to the << call, -3 GOE and -1 fall deduction.  As a result, he has taken the quad lutz out of his program.  Looking at the scoresheets for the same competition, you will see that a 4T<  (under-rotated but not downgraded) with a fall gets a total of 3 points after the -GOE and fall deduction, compared to 4.3 points for a 3T.  These falls also hurt the PCS marks, particularly the Transitions mark and Performance & Execution mark.

To me, the biggest risks are being taken by female pairs skaters, who not only land jumps from a higher height (look at Meagan Duhamel's throw quad salchow), but also suffer concussions on a regular basis due to the nature of pairs elements.  I find it amazing that top female pairs skaters like Aljona Savchenko actually tend to have longer competitive careers than female singles skaters!
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Spectator Skating Discussions / Commercials During Olympics
« Last post by FigureSpins on February 15, 2018, 10:13:21 AM »
I love the commercials NBC shows - for the most part, they're unique and have tie-ins to the Winter Olympics theme.

One of my favorites was the Will & Grace commercial, despite the fact that I've outgrown that show.  (I watched it three times and took it off the DVR list. It didn't need a reboot, imo.)

Here's the commercial:

I love Karen's martini toast, lol  Makes me laugh every time.

I'm on the Northern Ice & Dance emaili list.  Today, I received an email saying "Want the dress they wore on Will & Grace?" with a link to the video and another link to their website.  They sell that exact dress (Jerry's Mist on Amethyst #218) in several sizes!

Great marketing by Northern Ice & Dance - I typically read the email and then delete it without going to their website unless I'm looking for something specific.
Spectator Skating Discussions / Re: Olympic music- why all the covers?
« Last post by FigureSpins on February 15, 2018, 09:03:55 AM »
Just as aside, after any major televised skating competition or show, 15-20 teenagers will post on social media "What was (skater's) music?"  They want to know the title and the artist.

While the licensing fee per song is small, there is probably a sales bump after events.
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