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The Pro Shop / Re: Arm and shoulder padding/protection
« Last post by Leif on Today at 04:52:48 AM »
I wear padding for ice hockey, of course, but also during public sessions. I wear ForceField Tubes on my knees which go under tracksuit bottoms and most people do not realise I am wearing them. I also wear a Demon Pro padded shorts with a D30 coccyx pad. They also go under trousers, and others do not know I wear them. I can not recommend the shorts too highly. A fall on the rear is painful, but the pain goes within a minute, and I can carry on skating as before. Previously I fell on my backside and I was almost off work the next day due to severe coccyx pain. It took a week before I was walking properly. I know Query says you can learn to fall, but there are occasional falls onto the backside that will happen, the ones when you skate slowly are the worst as gravity will pull you down. When moving at speed, you can spread yourself out to spread the impact. I also wear ProTec Street elbow pads which are cheap and effective. I do have ForceField tubes for my elbows, but they are less comfortable. A year ago I was falling all the while, due I think to oversized skates. After hitting my head on the ice, and leaving a smear of blood, I bought a skateboarding helmet. I don’t wear the helmet any more as once I got correctly fitting skates, I stopped falling backwards.

I am a hockey skater, and yes I take a risk not wearing a helmet in public sessions, but I do not do dangerous moves. Figure skaters on the other hand do some scary stuff.

Curiously some friends have bought pads after hearing about mine. One wears knee pads and a ForceField back protector. Another wears knee and coccyx pads. Some older figure skaters also wear pads, though I did not know until I spoke to them.

Frankly I would never skate without pads, serious accidents are rare, but why risk a nasty bruise, or even a potentially life changing injury? As for competitive figure skaters in the Olympics, I find it scary just watching them.
Spectator Skating Discussions / Re: Back-loading IJS Programs
« Last post by nicklaszlo on February 23, 2018, 07:56:33 PM »
They should make the bonus increase linearly as you go through the program.  I used to think it would be hard to figure out when the jump occurred, but recently they started showing the technical panel's calls on live TV.  The calls show up in a couple of seconds.  That should be accurate enough.  The slope could be adjusted until the best strategy is to spread your jumps out.
Sitting on the Boards Rink Side / Re: normal skating level for a teen?
« Last post by nicklaszlo on February 23, 2018, 07:50:42 PM »
Hi.  Just wondering what would be the "normal" approximate level for a competitive 13 or 14 year old girl, who does singles and has been skating for 7 years?
Is she enjoying it?  If so, then it's normal.

Quantity and quality of practice are the most important things for improving skating.  Age and number of years skated are not so important.
Sitting on the Boards Rink Side / Re: normal skating level for a teen?
« Last post by Sibelius on February 23, 2018, 05:06:54 PM »
I thought they were excellent questions that lined up for an easy set of answers.  I thought the OP would be interested, and maybe others as well for reference purposes in the future.
Sitting on the Boards Rink Side / What do you pack for a competition?
« Last post by Vicki7 on February 23, 2018, 05:01:57 PM »
I'm going to my first competition away from my home rink. I'll be away for 6 nights total. I'm starting to think about packing and it feels like there's so much to remember!

I was hoping to get everything into a carry on sized suitcase, with some stuff in my skate bag if need be. But I've realised I'm not sure what I should be taking, beyond the basics of skates, dresses, other clothes etc.

I'm travelling around 300 miles, by train with 2 changes en route.

So, lovely skaters, what do you pack for an out of town competition?

Sitting on the Boards Rink Side / Re: normal skating level for a teen?
« Last post by FigureSpins on February 23, 2018, 04:33:03 PM »
I wasn't taking a survey - those are the questions I ask families, usually in a more roundabout way.  When a skater says "(Skater A) and I have been skating the same amount of time and she's so far (ahead/behind) me..." my reply is to compare training plans.  It really opens their eyes to the need for consistent practices.
Sitting on the Boards Rink Side / Re: normal skating level for a teen?
« Last post by Sibelius on February 23, 2018, 03:34:02 PM »
^ What she said...honestly answer these questions and your eyes will be opened:

Going to answer these for my daughter.  She is 9, started once a week group lessons at 7, got serious about 1 year ago:

How many lessons does s/he take weekly? 4 private lessons (2 Edges/MITF, 2 Jump/Spin)
Group or private lessons? 2 Group Axel classes (one led by her jump/spin coach), 1 group Edge, 1 group Power, 1 group Stroking
How many days a week does the skater practice outside of lessons? 6 days
How many total practice hours, each week? 10 hours
Do they skate year-round or seasonally? year round
How carefully do they practice on the ice? focused on skills directed by coaches, little to no play
Are they in off-ice programs, dance or gymnastics? 3 hours of ballet class/week + 1 hour private ballet lesson/week, off ice stretching and strength
How much time do they devote to other sports or activities? little, band, gymnastics in the back yard
Do they have natural ability in athletics or is every skill hard-earned? Natural athlete, not a natural skater
Have they had setbacks on- and/or off-ice?  (Injuries, life changes, plateaus, disappointments) took a long time to get her flip, loop and sit spin, was just determined to work harder! Had to "Retry" ISI Gamma and took 2 tries for FS4.  It was after failing Gamma (failed by her current MITF coach) she got serious about practice.

She has passed USFSA Pre-Pre and Preliminary MITF, currently working on Pre-Juv MITF. She had her first "competition" in a  head to head event at her home rink a couple of weeks ago (she won her group).  She is beginning work with her coaches on a program for next season.  At first she'll compete "no test" until she has an Axel, then compete in USFSA Preliminary as well as begin taking the USFSA Freeskate tests.

Those who want to achieve can be held back by lack of resources.  Those who live for hopes and dreams have to put in hard work.  Nothing comes easy, everyone is different.
Sitting on the Boards Rink Side / Re: What boots and blade do you wear???
« Last post by Sibelius on February 23, 2018, 02:28:00 PM »
I'll add my daughter's boots/blades for reference.

She is now in Jackson Debut Fusion Standards (size 3 1/2) with Eclipse Mist (size 8 1/2) Coro Ace/MK Pro "clones".  These are the old model replaced by the stainless Eclipse Aurora.  She's been on the blade for 5 months and in the boots for about 1 month.  Her previous boot/blade was the Jackson Elle with the stock Mirage.  Once we changed blades her spins were vastly improved.  Now in the new boots she's getting bigger jumps.  Working on her Axel now, wish I could say she's getting close, but no.

I think we're lucky in the sense that so far, stock Jackson boots fit her feet just perfectly.  This new pair of Debuts had no break in at all, just heat molded and done.  We bought them on a Friday and she passed her Preliminary MITF test in them the following Wednesday.  As a side note on the blade fitting, Jackson's blade size chart recommended a size larger that would have fit flush toe to heel.  That didn't seem quite right so we used the 8 1/2 instead of the 8 3/4 Jackson's chart recommended.  That gives the traditional 1/4" gap at the heel.

Interesting anecdote I'll share.  She skates at 2 rinks.  One rink, where the elite skaters train many FS and almost all dancers are in Edea, FS coaches are mostly SP-Teri, younger dance coaches Edea, older ones, Klingbeil/Harlick.  Her other rink is Sp-Teri and Harlick dominant.  I don't think I've seen one Edea there.  Coaches at that rink are in Sp-Teri and Harlick with Wilson and MK blades.

When I asked all her coaches at both rinks about boots not one recommended Edea.  Blade recommendation was universally MK Pro.  I couldn't spend the $$$ on that blade for a few months of use so I got lucky with the closed out clone (almost, pick on Mist is bigger than MK Pro) Mist and bought 3 pairs in 3 sizes for a little more than 1 pair of MK Pros would have cost.  We have one more pair to use then we'll have to decide whether to stick with that profile or move on.  Boots were an easy choice, blades are so much more challenging because you just don't know until you try.  We almost tried the Aurora under the 60 day NQA return policy, but the fitter recommended using that option later when the $$$ go way up for her blades.
Spectator Skating Discussions / Re: Back-loading IJS Programs
« Last post by amy1984 on February 23, 2018, 01:35:53 PM »
I think we will see something like this to encourage a balanced program.  It'll probably be something like a max of 3 jumps can earn the bonus.  1 would encourage front loading which is exactly what they were trying to combat when they introduced the rule.

I'm pretty sure someone at the ISU is kicking themselves because I'm pretty sure backloading was NOT what they had in mind when they introduced this rule.
Spectator Skating Discussions / Re: Interesting take on the costume problem
« Last post by amy1984 on February 23, 2018, 01:31:30 PM »
I saw another interview with Brad Griffies (I think it was him and of course I can't find it now... it might have been Jan Longmire...) where he said basically that they all watch and pray nothing goes wrong.  With the way the ladies twist in spins and stuff apparently nipples slip out more than we'd think.  I'd never considered that.  Yikes!

I feel bad for Gabriella as I'm pretty sure when you break it down that costume mishap probably cost them a gold medal.  But at the same time... I agree with this article.  How was that clasp not triple checked and made with a zillion clasps and closures?
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